State of Iraq

August · 02-10-11, 11:52 PM

Well I for one am glad that we took out Saddam and his regime. The man was just waiting for a chance to stick it to us just as soon as we took our boot off his neck.

Armistead · 02-10-11, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Well I for one am glad that we took out Saddam and his regime. The man was just waiting for a chance to stick it to us just as soon as we took our boot off his neck.

Was he worth 4500 american soldiers?

August · 02-11-11, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Was he worth 4500 american soldiers?

Considering how many he might have killed if given the chance? Yes.

He should have been finished off in '91...

joegrundman · 02-11-11, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Well I for one am glad that we took out Saddam and his regime. The man was just waiting for a chance to stick it to us just as soon as we took our boot off his neck.

out of curiosity - how do you imagine he was going to stick it to ze Americans after you took the boot off his neck? Invade kuwait again?

Skybird · 02-11-11, 06:44 AM

Nobody denies that Saddam at one point of time had chemical weapons, actually he has used them, against the Kurds and the Iranians. Point is, he got rid of them years ahead of 2003. The reason told to the public why this war was necessary, said he still had them. And that was a lie.

It was also said by the Bush administration that Saddam and Al Quaeda cooperated. That was also a lie. Representatives of the regime and Al Quaeda have met and one point, only to find that they have nothing to agree over. Which is no surprise for anyone knowing the stuff: Al Quaeda hates despots and corrupted pseudo-Muslims like the Saddam regime.

It also was implied that Saddam had his hands in 9/11. That is a lie.

Then there was this hilarious thing that became known as the "London missile memo", a diploma paper by student from ten years ago that was just copied and sold as latest government intel, saying that Saddam's MRBM now could reach European cities in less than 30 minutes. Maybe the best joke of them all.

Only the allegation that Saddam still has chemical weapons, was an explanation for the war given ahead of the war. When the weapons were not found, the Al Quaeda issue was published, and the 9/11 link became more focused on. The original lie had not worked, now one needed another one to justify the war.

Explanations given before a war, are reasons that may be right or wrong. Explanations given AFTER a war, are always just lame excuses.

And a final reminder on the fact that the Wolfowiotz paper planned and demanded the Iraq war of 2003 already one decade earlier. During the Clinton years, the paper disappeared in a drawer. When Bush junior entered office, the war already was decided from all beginning on when he took out that paper again.

My all time favourite which ruined Colin Powell's respectability forever: the moment he pathetically held up that unsecured vial of poweder sugar at the UN, lecturing over how dangerous a piece of Anthrax it was. What a disgrface for a man who before enjoyed quite some respect in the world and maybe was the only person respected in the whole administration. He later indicated in an interview, just some years ago, that he deeply regret that he accepted to stage this act, if I remember correctly.

If you have the opportunity, watch that 2 hopur docu from 2006 or 2007, "No end in sight", which in Germany ran under the nice title "War of the amateurs". It was on TV and at the movies, and initially was freely available on internet, but now is payware DVD only. But you can check youtube on whether or not I may be wrong. That film spoke vomes about the early inention of Bush, and the diletantism shown by the adminstration. It went so far as too actively hinder better preparation. Idiots, totally unscrupellous idiots fed from the pockets of backstage cliques and business lobbies.

The failure over realistic Afghanistan policies and Kathrina showed that their incompetence was no single case, but a basic feature of this government crew.

02-11-11, 06:45 AM

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out of curiosity - how do you imagine he was going to stick it to ze Americans after you took the boot off his neck? Invade kuwait again?

Thats cruel, don't mock so much.

August · 02-11-11, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

out of curiosity - how do you imagine he was going to stick it to ze Americans after you took the boot off his neck? Invade kuwait again?

Geez Joe. A crazy dictator with a burning hatred of my country and access to billions of petro-dollars? You can't see any problems with that?

I suppose you believe that if we just stopped patrolling his borders and no fly zones he would have turned into a modern age Mahatma Ghandi, spreading peace, love and democracy across the globe?

joegrundman · 02-11-11, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Geez Joe. A crazy dictator with a burning hatred of my country and access to billions of petro-dollars? You can't see any problems with that?

I suppose you believe that if we just stopped patrolling his borders and no fly zones he would have turned into a modern age Mahatma Ghandi, spreading peace, love and democracy across the globe?

I didn't say that. I was wondering how in practical terms, you envisaged him sticking it to the USA, in terms that say, would have cost you more than liberating Iraq has done.

What could he have done?

August · 02-11-11, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

I didn't say that. I was wondering how in practical terms, you envisaged him sticking it to the USA, in terms that say, would have cost you more than liberating Iraq has done.

What could he have done?

Al Quaeda aren't the only ones who can get people to strap on a bomb y'know. How about a bio weapon attack during the Super Bowl or some other large event? Don't you think that someone with his resources couldn't set up something like that if left to his own devices?

He had motive, and means, all that he really needed was opportunity.

02-11-11, 10:47 AM

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He had motive, and means, all that he really needed was opportunity.

Better invade just about every country in the world then.
After all it doesn't take much resources to make up a crude weapon to take to a large event.

Come to think of it hadn't america better invade america as we don't want any more nuts like Rudolph with motive means and oppertunity trying to create carnage at sporting events.

Amazing isn't it, when the claims made as justification turn out to be bull someone tries pure bull as a justification.

joegrundman · 02-11-11, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Better invade just about every country in the world then.
After all it doesn't take much resources to make up a crude weapon to take to a large event.

Come to think of it hadn't america better invade america as we don't want any more nuts like Rudolph with motive means and oppertunity trying to create carnage at sporting events.

Amazing isn't it, when the claims made as justification turn out to be bull someone tries pure bull as a justification.

It does seem to be the case that August is saying pure fantastical speculation is sufficient grounds to invade a country.

And he's right, of course. That's pretty much where we are at the moment.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Nobody denies that Saddam at one point of time had chemical weapons, actually he has used them, against the Kurds and the Iranians. Point is, he got rid of them years ahead of 2003. The reason told to the public why this war was necessary, said he still had them. And that was a lie. It was also said by the Bush administration that Saddam and Al Quaeda cooperated. That was also a lie. Representatives of the regime and Al Quaeda have met and one point, only to find that they have nothing to agree over. Which is no surprise for anyone knowing the stuff: Al Quaeda hates despots and corrupted pseudo-Muslims like the Saddam regime. It also was implied that Saddam had his hands in 9/11. That is a lie. Then there was this hilarious thing that became known as the "London missile memo", a diploma paper by student from ten years ago that was just copied and sold as latest government intel, saying that Saddam's MRBM now could reach European cities in less than 30 minutes. Maybe the best joke of them all. Only the allegation that Saddam still has chemical weapons, was an explanation for the war given ahead of the war. When the weapons were not found, the Al Quaeda issue was published, and the 9/11 link became more focused on. The original lie had not worked, now one needed another one to justify the war. Explanations given before a war, are reasons that may be right or wrong. Explanations given AFTER a war, are always just lame excuses. And a final reminder on the fact that the Wolfowiotz paper planned and demanded the Iraq war of 2003 already one decade earlier. During the Clinton years, the paper disappeared in a drawer. When Bush junior entered office, the war already was decided from all beginning on when he took out that paper again. My all time favourite which ruined Colin Powell's respectability forever: the moment he pathetically held up that unsecured vial of poweder sugar at the UN, lecturing over how dangerous a piece of Anthrax it was. What a disgrface for a man who before enjoyed quite some respect in the world and maybe was the only person respected in the whole administration. He later indicated in an interview, just some years ago, that he deeply regret that he accepted to stage this act, if I remember correctly. If you have the opportunity, watch that 2 hopur docu from 2006 or 2007, "No end in sight", which in Germany ran under the nice title "War of the amateurs". It was on TV and at the movies, and initially was freely available on internet, but now is payware DVD only. But you can check youtube on whether or not I may be wrong. That film spoke vomes about the early inention of Bush, and the diletantism shown by the adminstration. It went so far as too actively hinder better preparation. Idiots, totally unscrupellous idiots fed from the pockets of backstage cliques and business lobbies. The failure over realistic Afghanistan policies and Kathrina showed that their incompetence was no single case, but a basic feature of this government crew. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 02-11-11 at 06:56 AM.