SH3Commander

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

Me Me Me!

Only because keeping track of crew is a pain. I like to keep my watchmen separate from the gunners, and the repair men go off to their space as soon as we set sail.

I figure a crewmember would be assigned to a task, might as well give him the qualification now so I can tell them apart. I understand becoming qualified in a department was time consuming process, but considering how screwed up crew management is in SH3 (I run no fatigue model), it's the only way I can do it.



Poor Joachim there is the cook.

How can you have sailors with the repair, I thought it was only the PO, if you did not make your own mods..

[frau kaleun]

You can assign qualifications to any crewman in Commander, including all the non CO/PO sailors. It doesn't have any effect on gameplay, meaning that a sailor "qualified" in repair is not worth more in terms of compartment efficiency than one who isn't, all other things being equal. But he will still have the qualification icon in the game's crew management screens. It's useful if you want to attempt some kind of 'realistic' crew management with, for instance, separate Seamen's and Technical divisions with duties assigned accordingly. If you have the icons on them in the game it's easy to see who is part of which division and what their primary duties are.

I played around with it in my last career and liked it, this time around I actually made a separate crew list and assigned more realistic "ranks" to all the men based on their in-game rank + their area of specialty. So the highest ranking PO who is qualifed for radio/sonar is the Oberfunkmaat, the highest ranking POs with Maschinist quals are the Diesel and Elektro Obermaschinists, the highest ranking PO in the Seamen's division is the Oberbootsmann, etc. The NO is my IIIWO and Obersteuermann and I don't count him as a commissioned officer even though the game considers him to be one.

I'm not sure how well this will play out when it comes to promotions, transfers, and replacements, but I'm only on my second combat patrol so I haven't crossed that bridge yet.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

You can assign qualifications to any crewman in Commander, including all the non CO/PO sailors. It doesn't have any effect on gameplay, meaning that a sailor "qualified" in repair is not worth more in terms of compartment efficiency than one who isn't, all other things being equal. But he will still have the qualification icon in the game's crew management screens. It's useful if you want to attempt some kind of 'realistic' crew management with, for instance, separate Seamen's and Technical divisions with duties assigned accordingly. If you have the icons on them in the game it's easy to see who is part of which division and what their primary duties are.

I played around with it in my last career and liked it, this time around I actually made a separate crew list and assigned more realistic "ranks" to all the men based on their in-game rank + their area of specialty. So the highest ranking PO who is qualifed for radio/sonar is the Oberfunkmaat, the highest ranking POs with Maschinist quals are the Diesel and Elektro Obermaschinists, the highest ranking PO in the Seamen's division is the Oberbootsmann, etc. The NO is my IIIWO and Obersteuermann and I don't count him as a commissioned officer even though the game considers him to be one.

I'm not sure how well this will play out when it comes to promotions, transfers, and replacements, but I'm only on my second combat patrol so I haven't crossed that bridge yet.

Then you'll have to speed up a little now, but I did anyways response to a question, thank you,

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by Vendor

How can you have sailors with the repair, I thought it was only the PO, if you did not make your own mods..

Some people give sailors "quals," even though they don't count, for crew management "eye candy" purposes. I used to, myself, before it became too tedious.

But you are right, and this point cannot be made often enough to new players: only one qualification "works" for POs, and no qualification "works" for sailors.

In fact, you can run a VII with no sailors at all. Only officers and POs. You probably shouldn't run a career that way, but try some single missions with all your sailors beached. You won't notice their absence.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by desirableroasted

Some people give sailors "quals," even though they don't count, for crew management "eye candy" purposes. I used to, myself, before it became too tedious.

But you are right, and this point cannot be made often enough to new players: only one qualification "works" for POs, and no qualification "works" for sailors.

In fact, you can run a VII with no sailors at all. Only officers and POs. You probably shouldn't run a career that way, but try some single missions with all your sailors beached. You won't notice their absence.

Thanks I got it,

[Sailor Steve]

Petty Officers should always be qualified. That's why they are POs. The game is wrong.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Petty Officers should always be qualified. That's why they are POs. The game is wrong.

that was my thinking. I could see one or maybe 2 brand new PO's not being Qual'd in something, but I would have imagined the majority would know their jobs before even stepping on the boat.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

that was my thinking. I could see one or maybe 2 brand new PO's not being Qual'd in something, but I would have imagined the majority would know their jobs before even stepping on the boat.

Even as an E-2 I was already assigned to be a radioman, before I even saw a ship. Three months of RM school and I was probably never going to be anything else. Once aboard I spent all my time in the radio shack, and when I made E-4 I would have been classified 'Radioman Third Class', which is a Petty Officer. That's the way it works.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Yes that is true but easily and quickly rectified using Commander.

I thought using Commander to qualify POs was the point of the thread.

[scunnygsi]

Forgetting commander then, if i had 5 PO's with torps quals would they load quicker than 5 PO's without the quals ? or is it not factured into the gameplay and just purely "eyecandy"

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I thought using Commander to qualify POs was the point of the thread.

Perhaps I missed the point of the thread

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Petty Officers should always be qualified. That's why they are POs. The game is wrong.

Yes that is true but easily and quickly rectified using Commander.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Vendor

How can you have sailors with the repair, I thought it was only the PO, if you did not make your own mods..

I used Commander, I do that so I can keep the sailors straight. I like having them assigned duties. It has no effect on the game, just organizational.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

I used Commander, I do that so I can keep the sailors straight. I like having them assigned duties. It has no effect on the game, just organizational.

I thought that the picture of the boat, I saw that you had seamen with repair Qualifications, I thought that only the PO could have been so, as I only have.

[perky416]

Hi everyone,
I have a quick question,

I am half way through a career, have gave my crew promotions and medals, if i install SH3 commander, will i have to restart my career for the changes to take effect, and will my crew loose their medals and promotions?

Thanks

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by perky416

Hi everyone,
I have a quick question,

I am half way through a career, have gave my crew promotions and medals, if i install SH3 commander, will i have to restart my career for the changes to take effect, and will my crew loose their medals and promotions?

Thanks

Your crew will retain what you have given, and then start a new mission without any problems.