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[Skybird]

Penguin,

FYI, I took the info on that ban from one of the major German newspapers, though I cannot tell you exactly which one it was. I do a daily scan of the headlines, and if interested the according articles, of Die Welt, FAZ, Tagesspiegel, Focus, Der Spiegel, Die Zeit, Westfälische Nachrichten, Frankfurter Rundschau and occasionally some others, plus a dozen international ones, also some spwecialised sites and blogs and political magazines and economic sites. From any of these German ones the news was coming. It apparently was a mislead news message, okay. I cannot change that, nor am I responsible for it having been wrong. It was not the first time and it will not have been the last time the news said something wrong (and I still cannot say for sure that the ban was not considered in the beginning, and then given up: here in Münster for example one cinema was told to withdraw the movie from its' planned previews: and it did, but the director refused to also take off the posters in the windows, already assuming that the order was in doubt, obviously, this little sidestory I have read in the Westfälische Nachrichten for sure, some days after the news on the ban in the same or any other German paper).

If all this is a problem for you, well, so be it. I just referred to news as was available when I did.

BTW, there are some movies that are not only banned from display and distribution while being legal to own, but that you also may not legally own at all in Germany. The movie "Jud Süss" that I referred to, is such a movie. Such movies are banned not by the Freiwillige Selbstkontrolle, but by authorities ranking higher. The FSK is just a consumer "protection" censorship, no guard to protect criminal laws and constitutional rules.

They want the same laws, which are used against them, to use against opposing views.

Thats an issue another poster brings up quite often in relation to Skys posts, roughly ...."you appear to be the very thing which you warn us we must stop"

[Penguin]

The only major newspaper which wrote about a ban was "Die Welt" on January the 25th. http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/a...tscheiden.html
They quoted the turkish broadcaster NTV who claimed that the film was forbidden. From a german journalist I expect to know his stuff when they write about german laws and do not utter stuff or quote claims without checking out the facts. The turkish NTV journalist obviously was thinking about their own, draconic censorship laws when they fabricated their bs. However this says much the work ethos of both "journalists"
"Die Welt" from the next day stated a more correct version about the film rating: http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompak...-ins-Kino.html - nothing about a ban to read there

Given the fact that we have an international community reading the stuff here, I want correct facts about bans and censorship in Deutschland. Note: I do not say that I approve the film, I share the opinion that it is a dumb flic. It's like learning about Viet Nam from Rambo 2. But I do not believe in forbidding films. The people who will be influenced by it are too stupid to understand any facts about the conflict anyway.

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and I still cannot say for sure that the ban was not considered in the beginning, and then given up: here in Münster for example one cinema was told to withdraw the movie from its' planned previews: and it did, but the director refused to also take off the posters in the windows, already assuming that the order was in doubt, obviously, this little sidestory I have read in the Westfälische Nachrichten for sure, some days after the news on the ban in the same or any other German paper

So that translates as the film wasn't banned but was delayed as it was submitted too late for the review, the previews in cinemas were not shown as they had the old planned release date and the posters remained as they advertised the film but not the old planned release date.

Thats quite a convoluted way skybird went through with some dodgy claims in what was basicly a small story about a even crappier film version of a crap TV show.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Skybird

BTW, there are some movies that are not only banned from display and distribution while being legal to own, but that you also may not legally own at all in Germany. The movie "Jud Süss" that I referred to, is such a movie. Such movies are banned not by the Freiwillige Selbstkontrolle, but by authorities ranking higher. The FSK is just a consumer "protection" censorship, no guard to protect criminal laws and constitutional rules.

good that I am not on you iggy-list , i enjoy an open exchange of opinions!

The film "Jud Süß" is not illegal to posess. It was forbidden by the allies after the war however, but this is obsolete since the reunification. I do not know about the legal status of posession of the movie pre 1990. What didn't change is the fact that it is not allowed to show it in public without a kind of historic information/education about it. By this it allowed to show it in education facilities for example.
At my work we have lots of forbidden movies in our archives, and we have also broadcasted some pics of them. However we used these images to mock the Nazis, so another law applied in this case (freedom of art & satire). No law suit has stopped our practice till now *knocking on wood*
You are right about the FSK as a consumer/youth protection organisation, but when a movie gets a rating, it cannot be forbidden afterwards. Films with no ratings can be put on the index/banned however. In this case freedom of speech laws get overturned by other laws, for example hate speech laws.