China's new stealth fighter may use US technology

Ducimus · 01-23-11, 11:19 AM

Apparently, whoever was suppose to deny the wreckage of that F117 by means of destruction, didn't do a good enough job. Assuming anyone was assigned the task to make sure NOTHING remained. (Not unheard of, during the cold war the AF sent in ground teams and removed anything of any intelligence value when a bomber crashed)

Gerald · 01-23-11, 01:53 PM

But there is always a possibility, that any defaults along the way, these kinds of missions are notoriously not quite 100%

CCIP · 01-23-11, 02:02 PM

In fairness, it's not exactly like the F-117 is bleeding-edge new technology... and besides - in that case, shouldn't we say that the Americans used German technology in developing their stealth planes?

nikimcbee · 01-23-11, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Apparently, whoever was suppose to deny the wreckage of that F117 by means of destruction, didn't do a good enough job. Assuming anyone was assigned the task to make sure NOTHING remained. (Not unheard of, during the cold war the AF sent in ground teams and removed anything of any intelligence value when a bomber crashed)

Did the pilot of that crash survive (the one in Serbia?).

Krauter · 01-23-11, 02:19 PM

Yeap, said he ejected and was picked up

nikimcbee · 01-23-11, 02:24 PM

Did they ever say how they mamaged to shoot him down? Were they actually tracking him, or did they just get lucky? I remember they said the US kept using the same flight routes and that was one of the reasons they were able to tage it.

Krauter · 01-23-11, 02:27 PM

According to the article it was a combination of luck and tenacity and a Soviet built SA-3. I might be mistaken, but doesn't the SA-3 have IR backup to its radar homing?

*Summons TLAM..*

TLAM Strike · 01-23-11, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

According to the article it was a combination of luck and tenacity and a Soviet built SA-3. I might be mistaken, but doesn't the SA-3 have IR backup to its radar homing?

*Summons TLAM..*

Not as far as I can tell. The SA-3's backup system is a TV camera plus Thermal Imager and laser range finder (those last two were a 1999 upgrade I think) linked to a command guidance system to control the missiles.

The Iraqis before OIF may have made one that did by putting a AA-8 APHID seeker on it. But that might have been a SA-2 I forget which.

As far as I know what happened was that the USAF flew the same routes over and over. The Serbs had spies letting the AD guys know when a strike was launched. The AD unit timed the trip and was looking at the spot where the attack was likely to come from (they also listened for the reflection of AM radio waves bouncing off the 117) and pulled the trigger when they saw the 117 at point blank range (like under 20 Km.)

Krauter · 01-23-11, 03:04 PM

Hey it worked

Aah, so basically stealth features on any aircraft or ship/whatever it is applied to, can be beat at short range (combined with the stupidity of the user..)?

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Did they ever say how they mamaged to shoot him down? Were they actually tracking him, or did they just get lucky? I remember they said the US kept using the same flight routes and that was one of the reasons they were able to tage it. __________________

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Apparently, whoever was suppose to deny the wreckage of that F117 by means of destruction, didn't do a good enough job. Assuming anyone was assigned the task to make sure NOTHING remained. (Not unheard of, during the cold war the AF sent in ground teams and removed anything of any intelligence value when a bomber crashed)