Restricting Violent Speech

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When you constantly play this card of "clerks" and "Spiegels", then that says more about you then it say about me or that news magazine (which just btw is the biggest in whole Europe).

First Skybird, I don't really care how big Spiegel is in Europe. Every one of their articles about us that you've posted so far has just totally missed the mark, either through a lack of cultural understanding or just plain self serving bias, yet you continue to treat it as gospel.

That in itself wouldn't be so bad but you can be quite arrogant in insisting that their view from 3000 miles away is clearer than our view right here, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't bother to debate an inaccurate and biased article point by point with someone who acts like they are already convinced of it's accuracy. Would you if our positions were reversed?

Secondly I don't remember ever calling you a "clerk" but if I did please point to the last time I did so, and then please explain how that could be considered "constantly".

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

First Skybird, I don't really care how big Spiegel is in Europe. Every one of their articles about us that you've posted so far has just totally missed the mark, either through a lack of cultural understanding or just plain self serving bias, yet you continue to treat it as gospel.

You certainly get all things right about America. Thjat'S why all sources disagreeing with yoiu or being critical of your views, gets claimed by you to be "missing thre mark".

And no, I do not treat Der Spiegel as a gospel. I just have explained why I quote them more often than any other German paper. Will you please finally, finally take note of that explanation which I have given several times over the past two years or so. They also not rarely represent the opinion majority over here, so the content they express is not just typical for them alone.

That in itself wouldn't be so bad but you can be quite arrogant in insisting that their view from 3000 miles away is clearer than our view right here, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't bother to debate an inaccurate and biased article point by point with someone who acts like they are already convinced of it's accuracy. Would you if our positions were reversed?

If they are all so wrong and illogical and unknowing, then it should be child'S play for you to proves and demonstrate them wrong. I usually quote such articles for one of two reasons, sometimes for both: either to show that there is more than just your American rightwinged self-description and that you may be are perceived quite different than you see yourself (and being outside of your community may offer the unique chnce to see it from a perspective that you do not even know to exist - being part of that community is both a risk to lack perspective and objectivity, and to know some internal things better than foreigners could)

Secondly I don't remember ever calling you a "clerk" but if I did please point to the last time I did so, and then please explain how that could be considered "constantly".

Oh, I do, and repeatedly. I did not had you on my ignore list for so long time just for nothing. It was one of the reasons. And during that ban time I even read you I think two times being quotes by others with that reference to me.

You represent a very self-convinced and extremely right-leaning view on America, ignoring certain inn er contradictions or internal problems that maybe we foreigners sometimes can see better from the outside - exactly because we are foreigners and look at you from the outside. That we people in oither countries look so sharply at your nation, is not necessarily anti-Americansim of ours. It is coming from the simple fact that your nation'S behavior usually effect our fates and nations much much more than we effect yours. That'S why parts of your social issues and politics are of legitimate interest. The less effect you produce in the world, the smaller our intzerest in your natrion would be, because the less it would effect us and the less we would need to care for it.