Restricting Violent Speech

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Did you somehow manage to miss this entire page? US politics has never been "graceful and respectful", and is in fact much milder that it was in the past.

To that I simply say I disagree

As stated by Ducimus too

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Disagree. Been way too much rhetoric, slander, acqusations, and other misc BS over the last couple years. If not in quantity, certainly in the amount of emotion behind them.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Castout

To that I simply say I disagree

As stated by Ducimus too

He disagreed with my contention that it is not as bad now. If you truly think it was ever nice and respectful, you need to watch all the videos and read up on the campaign of 1800. And 1828. And 1860. And 1864.

Even the argument over who stole what in 2000 is predated by the election of 1888.
http://www.historycooperative.org/cg...2/summers.html

Ducimus may be right in his contention that it's just as bad now (and I don't deny that it is bad), but this is certainly nothing new. It was never nice, and never pretty.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

He disagreed with my contention that it is not as bad now. If you truly think it was ever nice and respectful, you need to watch all the videos and read up on the campaign of 1800. And 1828. And 1860. And 1864.

Even the argument over who stole what in 2000 is predated by the election of 1888.
http://www.historycooperative.org/cg...2/summers.html

Ducimus may be right in his contention that it's just as bad now (and I don't deny that it is bad), but this is certainly nothing new. It was never nice, and never pretty.

Aye I've now read some 'ugly' tactics in the articles I must have missed them when skimming it earlier. It sounded ugly then in the 1800s but post 1950 seemed to be respectful enough . . . until lately. When you see a very ugly person a substantially less ugly person could be thought of being quite appealing when in fact that person is not by all standard handsome or pretty.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Castout

...post 1950 seemed to be respectful enough...

A good enough point. I do vaguely remember the election of 1960, but the arguments I heard were all from individuals, and didn't seem to be on the national scale. You could be right - there may have been a lull in there.

@ August: You're point about the internet and its affects is well made.

[Armistead]

I know of no violent speech used, except by Dems lately, just the use of a lot of metaphors that had no bearing on these shootings.

No amount of limiting speech will solve these senseless crimes, but make no doubt criminals will learn to use them as an excuse, because so many, mainly the left are playing they had a role. I think it's the lefts progressive view that society is responsible for these acts, not the individuals. If the left had their way it would be an excuse.."I'm not guilty because Sarah made me mad."

We've lived through more violent times where it was politics...the 60's for instance and you didn't hear this speech in public, it was planned behind closed doors.

The problem I see is the left wants to do anything to limit speech they don't like, even though they take part of it. It's nothing but a political play that only took a few hours before the left is using this to push far left progressive politics, gun laws, laws against religion, laws against talk radio, ect.. Even on MSNBC they're now talking about so called hate speech in churches against gays, ect...should be illegal. The left wants to teach that people don't have common sense to know the difference and give nuts that would do these crimes anyway a viable excuse. I'm not a nut, if I don't want to hear it or believe it...I turn away from it.

In the end it's a stupid move on their part and will backfire. Most moderates see the right wing radicals for what they are, the same as the left. Sarah is a media seeker, dumb and will never win any office, the left just uses her because she's all those things. The lefts use of this sad moment for attempted political gain is making them look....political, in a moment of tragedy and that sickens most people.

[Skybird]

August,

after I have explained it several times in the past one or two years, you really finally need to understand one thing: of all major German newspapers with internet homepages, there currently is only one that offers an English edition: Der Spiegel. And that is the reason why I quote it more often than I link German texts. It makes little sense to post in this forum German articles all the time, don't you think? Or do you want a perspective form the German media in form of the the FAZ? SZ? TS? Die Welt? Focus? WN? ON? And all of them in German exclusively? Or maybe you prefer to believe American media only, and stick exclusively top them? That would be your loss? I survey at least the headlines and top articles of German, American, British, French, Russian, Israeli and Southkorean newspapers. What foreign newspapers for a view from outside America do you read...? Or are you one of those guys thinking there is no world beyond your national borders worth to be considered anyway?

Your repetitive mocking of Der Spiegel is a bit tiresome, really. When you disagree with what it says, then say so. And it is sufficient to leave it to that.

Your constant repetition of this rethorical trick "But it's Der Spiegel!" reminds of your similiar behavior when having called me a "clerk" time and again in earlier years, trying to ridicule what I said by telling people I were just a shop salesman, and what can such a guy know.... But at that time you already knew damn well that I have been many other things in my life too and did have many different jobs and engagements as well, maintained non-profit obligations voluntarily both in private and professional settings from psychotherapy to the security business, and had come around in a certain part of the world a bit.

Do I walk around and tell people all the time "You must not take August serious, he has just been a soldier, you know how these guys are, they simply don't know it better"? Would you like it if I contribute to a discussion in this way?

When you constantly play this card of "clerks" and "Spiegels", then that says more about you then it say about me, or that news magazine (which just btw is the biggest in whole Europe).

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When you constantly play this card of "clerks" and "Spiegels", then that says more about you then it say about me or that news magazine (which just btw is the biggest in whole Europe).

First Skybird, I don't really care how big Spiegel is in Europe. Every one of their articles about us that you've posted so far has just totally missed the mark, either through a lack of cultural understanding or just plain self serving bias, yet you continue to treat it as gospel.

That in itself wouldn't be so bad but you can be quite arrogant in insisting that their view from 3000 miles away is clearer than our view right here, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't bother to debate an inaccurate and biased article point by point with someone who acts like they are already convinced of it's accuracy. Would you if our positions were reversed?

Secondly I don't remember ever calling you a "clerk" but if I did please point to the last time I did so, and then please explain how that could be considered "constantly".