Arizona Congresswoman Shot in the Head at Public Event

mookiemookie · 01-13-11, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Yes because you are the judge of it all right?

Claim I am biased but you are truly biased.I have plenty to add, just not what you want to hear...

Your behavior in this thread is especially offensive given the senseless tragedy that occurred. You're using people's deaths to engage in polemics and attempting to play the victim card for your "side". That's a slap in the face to the true victims here.

Have you opened your eyes and seen the world without looking through the lens of the far right? Can you think for yourself instead of taking the shortcut of having someone "analyze the news" and spoon feed you what you should be thinking? Honestly, have you ever objectively read something that conflicted with what you thought you knew the day before? Did it change your mind? Is your mind open to change? Can you get over your confirmation bias and achieve critical thinking?

Or do you read Hannity's blog, or Red State or a bunch of blogs written by people who believe the same things you do, and say that's it, I've got it all figured out. I'm educated, my eyes are wide open. Guess what - you don't, you're not, and they aint. Your comments are inflammatory and shallow and expose you for the political hack you are.

But there is hope. You can educate yourself. But you have to be prepared for some discomfort. You have to be prepared to accept certain ideas. The idea that YOU MAY BE WRONG. And everyone you read MIGHT BE WRONG.

You could do these things and then have something to offer when talking about politics here. But I doubt it. And the worst part is you vote. God help us all.

01-13-11, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Your behavior in this thread is especially offensive given the senseless tragedy that occurred. You're using people's deaths to engage in polemics and attempting to play the victim card for your "side". That's a slap in the face to the true victims here.

Have you opened your eyes and seen the world without looking through the lens of the far right? Can you think for yourself instead of taking the shortcut of having someone "analyze the news" and spoon feed you what you should be thinking? Honestly, have you ever objectively read something that conflicted with what you thought you knew the day before? Did it change your mind? Is your mind open to change? Can you get over your confirmation bias and achieve critical thinking?

Or do you read Hannity's blog, or Red State or a bunch of blogs written by people who believe the same things you do, and say that's it, I've got it all figured out. I'm educated, my eyes are wide open. Guess what - you don't, you're not, and they aint. Your comments are inflammatory and shallow and expose you for the political hack you are.

But there is hope. You can educate yourself. But you have to be prepared for some discomfort. You have to be prepared to accept certain ideas. The idea that YOU MAY BE WRONG. And everyone you read MIGHT BE WRONG.

You could do these things and then have something to offer when talking about politics here. But I doubt it. And the worst part is you vote. God help us all.

I see even the left didn't heed Obama's message .. to talk with each other "in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds."

Good, now we can get on with the conflict of vision.

mookiemookie · 01-13-11, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

I see even the left didn't heed Obama's message .. to talk with each other "in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds."

Good, now we can get on with the conflict of vision.

geetrue · 01-13-11, 04:35 PM

mookiemookie and bubblehead can see each others view point better due to the opposition of sides.

They are simply weighing what they think and say on their scales of righteousness.

It is not for us to judge, but stop and think aren't you guys better off with having to exercise what you think.

Don't let it get to you just see the blessings in being able to freely express yourselves without offending the unpaid volunteers who monitor the halls here.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-13-11, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I see even the left didn't heed Obama's message .. to talk with each other "in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds."

Good, now we can get on with the conflict of vision.

lol typical for his type to get personal because they know they are wrong and can not make substantive arguments, so they attempt to trash someone personally, then complain when their feelings get hurt.Rather amusing actually

August · 01-13-11, 07:41 PM

tater · 01-13-11, 08:01 PM

The police records for his previous insanity:
http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_17079366

We had a guy in E&M who was totally nuts. I looked at his notes a few times, and while derivations of Maxwell's Equations can look pretty, erm, greek, his notes were clearly unrelated to the class and "crazy" just from a glance (some stuff looked more like runes or hieroglyphs). He asked non-sequiter questions, etc. One day he missed class, and the prof told all of us to watch him, and be prepared to tackle him if he came with a gun or something. We all watched him very carefully. Scary to see those reports and how similar they are to my experience with a nut in class.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-13-11, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Your behavior in this thread is especially offensive given the senseless tragedy that occurred. You're using people's deaths to engage in polemics and attempting to play the victim card for your "side". That's a slap in the face to the true victims here.

Have you opened your eyes and seen the world without looking through the lens of the far right? Can you think for yourself instead of taking the shortcut of having someone "analyze the news" and spoon feed you what you should be thinking? Honestly, have you ever objectively read something that conflicted with what you thought you knew the day before? Did it change your mind? Is your mind open to change? Can you get over your confirmation bias and achieve critical thinking?

Or do you read Hannity's blog, or Red State or a bunch of blogs written by people who believe the same things you do, and say that's it, I've got it all figured out. I'm educated, my eyes are wide open. Guess what - you don't, you're not, and they aint. Your comments are inflammatory and shallow and expose you for the political hack you are.

But there is hope. You can educate yourself. But you have to be prepared for some discomfort. You have to be prepared to accept certain ideas. The idea that YOU MAY BE WRONG. And everyone you read MIGHT BE WRONG.

You could do these things and then have something to offer when talking about politics here. But I doubt it. And the worst part is you vote. God help us all.

Wow you get personal on here pretty often, kind of amusing.Not worth a l response other than to point out that it is typical leftist behavior to personally attack someone who disagrees instead of engaging in a genuine debate.I am sure that if you could respond and tell me how the left is not exploiting this tragedy, you would.However, you and I both know(as does everyone else) that you can not because they have been since 30 minutes after this story broke last Saturday.

Bottom line....since you could not offer a legitimate rebuttle, you decided to attack me personally.Again, this does not shock me or bother me really, just amuses me in addition to letting me know you had no response.Again, typical lefty behavior.

Once again, the point of my original post was the left are exploiting this tragedy for political gain, it is disgusting

mookiemookie · 01-13-11, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Wow you get personal on here pretty often, kind of amusing.Not worth a l response other than to point out that it is typical leftist behavior to personally attack someone who disagrees instead of engaging in a genuine debate.I am sure that if you could respond and tell me how the left is not exploiting this tragedy, you would.However, you and I both know(as does everyone else) that you can not because they have been since 30 minutes after this story broke last Saturday.

Bottom line....since you could not offer a legitimate rebuttle, you decided to attack me personally.Again, this does not shock me or bother me really, just amuses me in addition to letting me know you had no response.Again, typical lefty behavior.

Once again, the point of my original post was the left are exploiting this tragedy for political gain, it is disgusting

I ask if you're capable of seeing things without classifying the world in terms of left vs. right, us vs. them, cowboys vs. indians, Red Sox vs. Yankees, my opinion vs. wrong....

...and you call me a lefty. I now have my answer.

I'll drop this whole thing, but I'll leave you with this - don't you find it troubling that some of the most level headed and well respected folks around here have chided you?

Bubblehead1980 · 01-14-11, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I ask if you're capable of seeing things without classifying the world in terms of left vs. right, us vs. them, cowboys vs. indians, Red Sox vs. Yankees, my opinion vs. wrong....

...and you call me a lefty. I now have my answer.

I'll drop this whole thing, but I'll leave you with this - don't you find it troubling that some of the most level headed and well respected folks around here have chided you?

I am capable of seeing things outside the us vs them thing.However, we are talking politics, groups of people who share basic core values vs others who share different values.The call for bipartisanship is crap because it essentially means "sacrifice your values" to make you enemy happy, sorry but that is what has lead us to this situation our nation is in.I noticed that you usually seem to take left leaning positions, so yes called you a lefty.

No, I do not find it troubling that certain people on here have chided me.While I respect them and usually get along with them on here, does not make me wrong and them right.There has been countless times in history where the majority or certain well respected blah blah were seen as being right and later it turned out the other guy was right and they were wrong.This occurs on the grand stage of history as well as in everyday situations.I can think of several occasions in my life when everyone said I was wrong etc etc and later on I was proven to have been correct.I believe in standing up for what I know is right even when everyone is telling me I am wrong.A large part of the problem in our society is people do not stand up for what they believe in, they go along to get along.Now if there is evidence or logic etc to convince me I am not above changing my view on something.

Seems the big issue was they felt I was playing politics and honestly I was NOT.I was making a statement about how the political left in this country started exploiting the tragedy for political gain and I also said the right would most likely do the same if the situation were reversed.I also posted my educated opinion(I've studied the political left in this nation quite a bit, know they enemy sort of thing lol) on what they will try to gain out of this as far as gun control and limiting speech goes.They took offense to this and well that is not my problem.This is a discussion forum after all.I was not playing politics though, just discussing the possible ramifications of this tragedy and certain members did not care for that.

01-14-11, 04:01 PM

Beyond the progressive in chief's words how often have you seen the term 'teabagger' used on subsim by progressive members? If it wasn't used to inflame, why was it used? To degregate, embarass, show contempt, etc. Perhaps to show violent intent.

Lets not forget the word...'neocon'...

The socalled neocons were once liberal thinkers who realized their political thoughts were flawed and defected to the Republican party. The dislike of this defection has often been aired on this board.

mookiemookie · 01-14-11, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

Beyond the progressive in chief's words how often have you seen the term 'teabagger' used on subsim by progressive members? If it wasn't used to inflame, why was it used? To degregate, embarass, show contempt, etc. Perhaps to show violent intent.

Violent intent how? That doesn't make any sense at all.

And given as much as you use the word "left", "leftist" or "Progressive" as a pejorative, I'd say you have no room to criticize anyone on this.

01-14-11, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Violent intent how? That doesn't make any sense at all.

And given as much as you use the word "left", "leftist" or "Progressive" as a pejorative, I'd say you have no room to criticize anyone on this.

Those labels are completely neutral as violent terms, and you know it. You may even ascribe yourself to them. I use them as a non-violent description. The use of teabagger and neocon is used as an attack of those whom you disagree..

Sailor Steve · 01-14-11, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I am capable of seeing things outside the us vs them thing.However, we are talking politics, groups of people who share basic core values vs others who share different values.

Actually in this thread we were talking about a tragedy. You chose to bring politics into it, along with several others. You say you are capable of seeing things outside of "us vs them", but every post you ever make on any thread in GT is first and formost a political attack. Your actual words put the lie to your claims.

breadcatcher101 · 01-15-11, 12:12 AM

I find it bad taste to bring politics into this shooting.

All the warning signs--we should have known, bla bla, some blaming Palin--oh come on! Really.

What about the ones who killed in a like methods who were always very meek and kind-hearted, "would never hurt a fly" types?

In short, you never know, but for every killing like this the other millions of gun owners that day did not kill, very responsible people.

More lives have been saved by defensive actions than by the few who die at the hands of thugs.

I speak from experience, a firearm saved my wife's and my life once. Four thugs against the two of us. They were so messed up they didn't even notice the 45 in my hand. After I was struck with a 2x2 upside the head I fired once, downing him and the others hauled butt.

A firearm is a simple tool like the human hand. It can be used to caress, to show tenderness, or balled into a fist used to inflict pain.

I feel for the dead, but am glad to hear of the congresswomans recovery.

01-13-11, 04:35 PM	#4
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	mookiemookie and bubblehead can see each others view point better due to the opposition of sides. They are simply weighing what they think and say on their scales of righteousness. It is not for us to judge, but stop and think aren't you guys better off with having to exercise what you think. Don't let it get to you just see the blessings in being able to freely express yourselves without offending the unpaid volunteers who monitor the halls here. __________________

01-13-11, 07:41 PM	#6
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,210 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	__________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

01-13-11, 08:01 PM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The police records for his previous insanity: http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_17079366 We had a guy in E&M who was totally nuts. I looked at his notes a few times, and while derivations of Maxwell's Equations can look pretty, erm, greek, his notes were clearly unrelated to the class and "crazy" just from a glance (some stuff looked more like runes or hieroglyphs). He asked non-sequiter questions, etc. One day he missed class, and the prof told all of us to watch him, and be prepared to tackle him if he came with a gun or something. We all watched him very carefully. Scary to see those reports and how similar they are to my experience with a nut in class.

01-14-11, 04:01 PM	#11
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Beyond the progressive in chief's words how often have you seen the term 'teabagger' used on subsim by progressive members? If it wasn't used to inflame, why was it used? To degregate, embarass, show contempt, etc. Perhaps to show violent intent. Lets not forget the word...'neocon'... The socalled neocons were once liberal thinkers who realized their political thoughts were flawed and defected to the Republican party. The dislike of this defection has often been aired on this board.

01-15-11, 12:12 AM	#15
breadcatcher101 Captain Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 546 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I find it bad taste to bring politics into this shooting. All the warning signs--we should have known, bla bla, some blaming Palin--oh come on! Really. What about the ones who killed in a like methods who were always very meek and kind-hearted, "would never hurt a fly" types? In short, you never know, but for every killing like this the other millions of gun owners that day did not kill, very responsible people. More lives have been saved by defensive actions than by the few who die at the hands of thugs. I speak from experience, a firearm saved my wife's and my life once. Four thugs against the two of us. They were so messed up they didn't even notice the 45 in my hand. After I was struck with a 2x2 upside the head I fired once, downing him and the others hauled butt. A firearm is a simple tool like the human hand. It can be used to caress, to show tenderness, or balled into a fist used to inflict pain. I feel for the dead, but am glad to hear of the congresswomans recovery.