Arizona Congresswoman Shot in the Head at Public Event - Page 21

Growler · 01-12-11, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

There is no justification for what happened to her, but to imply that Palin is responsible is just as disgusting as other attempts to skew this tragedy for political gain.

This. Anything that ANY politician does publicly WILL be interpreted by both sides in ways favorable to their own position and, even better, detrimental to the opposition's.

Where I fault Palin's PAC is in creating such an image that was THAT open to abuse by the other side. Her handlers should have known better.

Fish · 01-12-11, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

Her handlers should have known better.

Does this mean, you think, she hasn't a mind of here self?

mookiemookie · 01-12-11, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Does this mean, you think, she hasn't a mind of here self?

None of them do. When you elect a politician, you're electing a brand that comes with a supporting cast of hundreds. A politician is a product these days. It takes many people to build marketing campaigns around products. It doesn't stop after the election either - you have ongoing brand management.

AVGWarhawk · 01-12-11, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

None of them do. When you elect a politician, you're electing a brand that comes with a supporting cast of hundreds. A politician is a product these days. It takes many people to build marketing campaigns around products. It doesn't stop after the election either - you have ongoing brand management.

I have to agree here.

Growler · 01-12-11, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Does this mean, you think, she hasn't a mind of here self?

Not at all; once any person in the US becomes a "brand" it's all about "brand marketing" afterwards. Brand marketing means that you have people who evaluate everything you say, think, do, eat, etc. for possible "unforeseen negative engagement by opposition analysts" to use against your brand.

geetrue · 01-12-11, 03:54 PM

It's a miracle she's still alive ... that big warm hearted friend of hers put his hands on her head to stop the bleeding could be a clue, but surely shot in the head at close range and living this long with a 101% chance of survival given by her doctor points to many prayers have been answered, not that God wouldn't have cared anyway, but still they were prayed in faith.

If the devil is a chess player (God is not a chess player due to the limited moves) then the timing of this event will come to light when they try to repeal the Democratic health care plan. Hard to see how they can get any support in the Senate from the democrats and of course if it did pass President Obama would presumably reject any plan to his plan.

Not I says me, no not I, I will not blame the health care bill for this act, but this will play out in what they say next week in Congress.

The shooter didn't even watch the news according to one friend.

He was simply pissed off at the answer she gave him in person at a town hall meeting last year.

This was premeditated rage at a woman he blamed for all of his problems.

Sailor Steve · 01-12-11, 05:53 PM

People keep pointing fingers still. There is only one person who can be held responsible for this, and they're not even sure he's responsible.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-12-11, 06:13 PM

A friend told me about this today, also heard it on radio and now saw it online for myself.Make sure you watch the video at 2:31.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/az-s...litical-radio/

Guess left has to find someone else to blame the shootings on other than talk radio or Fox News because he didn't listen to them.

DarkFish · 01-12-11, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

It's a miracle she's still alive ... that big warm hearted friend of hers put his hands on her head to stop the bleeding could be a clue, but surely shot in the head at close range and living this long with a 101% chance of survival given by her doctor points to many prayers have been answered, not that God wouldn't have cared anyway, but still they were prayed in faith.

But saying that the Christian god is the reason why she is still alive? If I were god I'd certainly have saved the 9 year old girl instead.
I rather say she survived because of a quick and professional response by bystanders, good medical service and a huge portion of luck

Bubblehead1980 · 01-12-11, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I was simply repeating your hysterics. And yes, I continue to find them distasteful.

I was aware of your sarcasm.How can you write that pointing out the fact that the left is exploting this tragedy to advance their agenda constitutes hysterics? Perhaps just because you disagree with me.The left has a pattern of behavior when it comes to exploiting tragedies to advance their agenda and settle scores if possible.Clinton and the left after OKC is a great example.I was young and do not remember but from what I can tell and have read, they tried to peg it on Rush Limbaugh etc

I have mentioned several times that the Right would prob exploit this had the situation been reversed and I also pointed out that it is wrong to exploit this no matter who is on what side.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-12-11, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish

But saying that the Christian god is the reason why she is still alive? If I were god I'd certainly have saved the 9 year old girl instead.
I rather say she survived because of a quick and professional response by bystanders, good medical service and a huge portion of luck

yea, people tend to turn to a "higher" power instead of believing in chance etc. at times like these, guess if that makes them happy.

Platapus · 01-12-11, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

It's a miracle she's still alive ... that big warm hearted friend of hers put his hands on her head to stop the bleeding could be a clue, but surely shot in the head at close range and living this long with a 101% chance of survival given by her doctor points to many prayers have been answered, not that God wouldn't have cared anyway, but still they were prayed in faith.

So why didn't your god save all the victims then? Is a politician more worthy of saving than a 9 year old girl?

How does your god choose, and for that matter why would your god choose?

Takeda Shingen · 01-12-11, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I was aware of your sarcasm.How can you write that pointing out the fact that the left is exploting this tragedy to advance their agenda constitutes hysterics? Perhaps just because you disagree with me.The left has a pattern of behavior when it comes to exploiting tragedies to advance their agenda and settle scores if possible.Clinton and the left after OKC is a great example.I was young and do not remember but from what I can tell and have read, they tried to peg it on Rush Limbaugh etc

I have mentioned several times that the Right would prob exploit this had the situation been reversed and I also pointed out that it is wrong to exploit this no matter who is on what side.

I can say that it constitutes hysterics due to the flexible standards that you hold. Your second sentence begins yet another anti-left tirade in which you yourself attempt to utilize this event to place your team in a better light. You conclude with a claim of impartiality that you have never demonstrated. So, yes, I fundamentally disagree with your assertions.

geetrue · 01-12-11, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

So why didn't your god save all the victims then? Is a politician more worthy of saving than a 9 year old girl?

How does your god choose, and for that matter why would your god choose?

I don't understand how God decides who is healed or who dies or who lives.

The little girl was shot also at point blank range, another man shielded his wife from the shooter and died. He was a preacher man.

Gods ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts (old testament)

I was a victim of a vicious attack back in 1983, hit in the head with a big pipe I am told, but I didn't see it coming.

Woke up on the operating table being operated on with a green cloth over my face (hit me in the side of the head by my ear) with a very bright light up above the operating table.

The doctor said, "You've lost a lot of blood son"

I said thats nice and drifted off to sleep, waking up the next day in a hospital room that I couldn't afford.

I walked out two days later and didn't feel like smoking cigarettes anymore. Walked home seven miles away and saw my car all banged up with the windshield gone.

I know something happened that day and it is by faith that I believe in an intelligent designer that saved me for another day.

The reason is up to him ... sure glad he did.

If you want to argue ... there are other threads to proclaim faith or no faith.

Prayer is seeking Gods will ... not telling him what to do.

Takeda Shingen · 01-12-11, 07:56 PM

Yes. A common misconception that people have about Christianity is that God is some sort of omnipotent maitre 'd. In strictly glib terms, Christianity regards God as more of a baseball umpire; He decides who is out and who is safe. You can also plead your case, and sometimes He'll break it your way and sometimes not, if He has other intentions.

01-12-11, 03:54 PM	#306
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	It's a miracle she's still alive ... that big warm hearted friend of hers put his hands on her head to stop the bleeding could be a clue, but surely shot in the head at close range and living this long with a 101% chance of survival given by her doctor points to many prayers have been answered, not that God wouldn't have cared anyway, but still they were prayed in faith. If the devil is a chess player (God is not a chess player due to the limited moves) then the timing of this event will come to light when they try to repeal the Democratic health care plan. Hard to see how they can get any support in the Senate from the democrats and of course if it did pass President Obama would presumably reject any plan to his plan. Not I says me, no not I, I will not blame the health care bill for this act, but this will play out in what they say next week in Congress. The shooter didn't even watch the news according to one friend. He was simply pissed off at the answer she gave him in person at a town hall meeting last year. This was premeditated rage at a woman he blamed for all of his problems. __________________

01-12-11, 05:53 PM	#307
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	People keep pointing fingers still. There is only one person who can be held responsible for this, and they're not even sure he's responsible. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-12-11, 06:13 PM	#308
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,107 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	A friend told me about this today, also heard it on radio and now saw it online for myself.Make sure you watch the video at 2:31. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/az-s...litical-radio/ Guess left has to find someone else to blame the shootings on other than talk radio or Fox News because he didn't listen to them.

01-12-11, 07:56 PM	#315
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Yes. A common misconception that people have about Christianity is that God is some sort of omnipotent maitre 'd. In strictly glib terms, Christianity regards God as more of a baseball umpire; He decides who is out and who is safe. You can also plead your case, and sometimes He'll break it your way and sometimes not, if He has other intentions.