Arizona Congresswoman Shot in the Head at Public Event

Just heard that there is a 100% that Congresswoman Giffords will survive. What the quality of that will be is yet to be known.

I'll leave it to others to make the political connection.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

American politics is like a sport for some people. They cheer on their team and boo the other guys. It's just that way.

Give the politicians weapons and throw them in the arena.
There, no need for political discourse or compromise. Only one wins all.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

Well if it wasn't known to authorities that he was out of his mind so to say, it doesn't really matter what gun laws there are in Arizona. Even when there is also the requirement to have all your marbles together to own a gun, he would've got it.

Yeah, you're right. Doesn't really matter what gun laws there are anywhere. Even if he had already been blacklisted he could have found other ways to acquire the weapon and ammunition. The laws restrict what can be sold (and to whom) at legitimate gun dealers, but cannot hold an edge on the black market. They cannot prevent weapons being stolen from legal gun owners, either.

Such a quandary.

Originally Posted by goldorak

Give the politicians weapons and throw them in the arena.
There, no need for political discourse or compromise. Only one wins all.

I wonder if would be anything like the Highlander movies?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by tater

So what? If you have a point with those pictures, compare them to polarization during every other US Administration. Have you read editorials written during the Adams Administration? What do you know about open rebellions like the Whiskey Rebellion during the Washington Administration? What about the years leading to the US Civil War?

US politics is no more polarized than ever.

By the history book, you have a point. However, I don't think i've ever seen it more polarized in my life time as it has been these last couple of years. Have you?

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In fairness, the right categorizes those that do not agree as un-American and dangerous as well. You are correct about the intentions of the left, but depicting the right as people that placidly stand on truth and justice is inaccurate; they are warped as well, but in the opposite direction.

Actually my friend - I think its more accurate to say that SOME on both sides use language that can inflame - and its unfortunate. However, at least in this case, the hatemongering and politicizing is coming from one side.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

However, at least in this case, the hatemongering and politicizing is coming from one side.

Bull.

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** The right pushes back: Well, that didn’t take long. After we wrote yesterday that the horrific shootings in Arizona offered the possibility of ushering in a more civil and responsible tone in American politics, activists and commentators on both sides refused to back down. In fact, Monday was all about trying to define the other side as out of their minds. Sad. On the right, Rush Limbaugh accused Democrats of politicizing the tragedy. “The desperate hope that the losers in November of 2010 had was that they could revitalize their political fortunes because of this unfortunate shooting of a congresswoman in Arizona,” Limbaugh said, per Roll Call. “But the left is depraved, empty and without any political substance whatsoever.” Glenn Beck added, “They are using every opportunity to convince you that Sarah Palin is dangerous.” The Tea Party Express, meanwhile, sent a fundraising solicitation entitled, “Tea Party won’t be silenced after shooting.” And the Media Research Center’s Brent Bozell argued that the media was trying to “criminalize conservatism.”

*** So does the left: On the left, the New York Times’ Bob Herbert today writes, “The vitriol that has become an integral part of our political rhetoric, most egregiously from the right, is just one of the myriad contributing factors in a society saturated in blood.” And Paul Krugman asked yesterday, “So will the Arizona massacre make our discourse less toxic? It’s really up to G.O.P. leaders. Will they accept the reality of what’s happening to America, and take a stand against eliminationist rhetoric? Or will they try to dismiss the massacre as the mere act of a deranged individual, and go on as before?”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...ht-pushes-back

Originally Posted by Ducimus

By the history book, you have a point. However, I don't think i've ever seen it more polarized in my life time as it has been these last couple of years. Have you?

I give you Chicago, Democratic National Covention, 1968.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Actually my friend - I think its more accurate to say that SOME on both sides use language that can inflame - and its unfortunate. However, at least in this case, the hatemongering and politicizing is coming from one side.

You are right. I should have said 'some', and by failing to do so I impugned all. In regards to vitriol over the present tragedy, I haven't seen any from either side. I had Glenn Beck on today when I was shopping for groceries (and by 'groceries', I mean bourbon, as I am likely to get snowed in tomorrow and it keeps me warm when I shovel) and he wasn't vitriolic or inappropriate at all. I don't watch FOX or MSNBC, so I haven't seen any manipulation.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You are right. I should have said 'some', and by failing to do so I impugned all. In regards to vitriol over the present tragedy, I haven't seen any from either side. I had Glenn Beck on today when I was shopping for groceries (and by 'groceries', I mean bourbon, as I am likely to get snowed in tomorrow and it keeps me warm when I shovel) and he wasn't vitriolic or inappropriate at all. I don't watch FOX or MSNBC, so I haven't seen any manipulation.

If you watched ABC, CBS or NBC, network news you saw manipulation. But you don't know what you don't know.

[mookiemookie]

The Westboro Church idiots are planning to be at the funeral of the little girl. Arizona is making an attempt to keep them some distance away:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/ari...ex.html?hpt=T1

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The Westboro Church idiots are planning to be at the funeral of the little girl. Arizona is making an attempt to keep them some distance away:

Will be hard to keep them out now that SCOTUS has ruled in their favor reguarding military funerals. A sad truth.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

If you watched ABC, CBS or NBC, network news you saw manipulation. But you don't know what you don't know.

I didn't see any manipulation there. But, I don't have a stake in either side.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I didn't see any manipulation there. But, I don't have a stake in either side.

You didn't see the county sherrif state his theory/opinions regarding how this incident was sparked? It was all over the network news.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

You didn't see the county sherrif state his theory/opinions regarding how this incident was sparked? It was all over the network news.

Oh, I thought you meant that the media was pointing the blame at Team R. He's nobody; I wouldn't worry about his thoughts.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Hottentot, from what I heard on the national news this evening it sounds like she has a chance of pulling through. It's a wait-and-see, I guess. To your other thoughts: yeah, what a crock. Par for the course.




Bubblehead, I have been watching the news and I am not seeing a lefty attack. Get off your high horse and learn something.

Really? I've heard the talking heads at MSNBC and CNN find ways to blame this on "hate speech" aka the opinions of those who disagree with Obama and the Progressives, every chance they have.

Heard a couple Congressmen talk about "addressing" the "hate speech" and "vitriol" I'm not on a high horse, just know how the lefties are and how they will exploit this as they have many other tragedies to further their agenda.Their agenda usually contradicts the US Constitution, therefore I am worried and everyone else should be.