SH5 Wins DRM loses

[Zedi]

Erm... what? DRM is still alive and kicking and even if it will be removed, the SH3 moders will still stay away from SH5 and keep moding the ancient SH3 forever.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Erm... what? DRM is still alive and kicking and even if it will be removed, the SH3 moders will still stay away from SH5 and keep moding the ancient SH3 forever.

That's not true. Several modders have looked into SH5, but until some severe problems have been overcome (such as the inability to import ships into SH5) there isn't much point.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That's not true. Several modders have looked into SH5, but until some severe problems have been overcome (such as the inability to import ships into SH5) there isn't much point.

Well Sailor Steve that might be the future, the games become DRM
AND are unmoddable, so we have to eat what we get.

[marleymen]

Keep a little of faith and hope in this new 2011. That DRM news are good news. Still working @Magnum, that´s true but Ubi will no longer use it. Let´s wait a patch for it.

@Sailor Steve, let´s have a little of faith in @privateer or another modders who can help importing new models to game.

The most important, you good modders from SH3&4 ... join the cause (SH5). It´s getting better

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by marleymen

@Sailor Steve, let´s have a little of faith in @privateer or another modders who can help importing new models to game.

I don't need faith. I know him personally and I know what he's doing. But I wasn't speaking for myself. What I addressed was the challenge for SH3 and SH4 modders to come to SH5, and I merely pointed out that until the problems are actually fixed there's not much most of them can do.

Once the problems are solved (and I do indeed have faith that they eventually will be) you will see more people working on SH5. But as I said, until that happens there isn't much point.

[Zedi]

There is a point to come over because is a lot of stuff to do but this will not happen. Not now, not later. See Makman and his "I will not fix their failure" motivation and like him there is many more. Still moding a 10 year old game and fixing the already fixed things looks ridiculous to me, no offence.

But with SH5 there is also a generation change and young blood who love challenges, like TWD, will prevail.. sadly, is not more like him atm. Because what SH5 need now, is a team of moders. No matter how genius one can be, working on multiple direction will never give out a quality result.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Magnum

There is a point to come over because is a lot of stuff to do but this will not happen. Not now, not later. See Makman and his "I will not fix their failure" motivation and like him there is many more. Still moding a 10 year old game and fixing the already fixed things looks ridiculous to me, no offence.

Makman is one person, and as any statistician will tell you, once is not a trend. As to fixing an old game, no one has done that for a long time. People are busy making new things for it, and they're having fun.

But with SH5 there is also a generation change and young blood who love challenges, like TWD, will prevail.. sadly, is not more like him atm. Because what SH5 need now, is a team of moders. No matter how genius one can be, working on multiple direction will never give out a quality result.

TheDarkWraith is a generation change? He is one of the older (in terms of when he started doing it) modders around here, and was very much into SH3. Also, if you read his own comments, he is finding himself very limited in what he can actually do; and if he can't do a lot of it what chance do lesser lights have? Again, no point.

Lets take Iambecomelife. He worked for years (and I mean that literally) working up his Merchant Fleet Mod Pack. But he can't do the same for SH5, because SH5 won't allow ships to be imported in. Could he create new ships for SH5? I don't know the answer to that one, but the very fact that the game is so unfinished in terms of available u-boats and career options makes it difficult to even be interested.

Lets take Makman. Why would he, and people like him, be "stuck" in an older game and unwilling to come into the present. Could it be because they don't like the idea of, rather than being able to add cool new stuff to a cool new game, being asked to spend their time finishing what should have been finished out of the box.

Lets take me. I don't consider myself a genuine modder, in the sense that I've done very little in the way of creating new graphics or new sounds, but I did spend a lot of hours converting the old SH2 Das Boot Sound Mod for SH3 and SH4. Winklemander has done his own mod with the same name for SH5, and by all accounts he's done an outstanding job. I also spend a majority of my day researching and collating merchant ship names and stats for my SH3 Ship Names Mod. I would gladly do it for SH4, but that game doesn't give names to sunk ships, so there's no point. Does SH5 give names to ships? No one has ever said. I'll find out when the DRM is gone and I have the game, and if it does you can bet I'll be applying all my work to the "new" game, so your challenges mean nothing to me.

Now lets take you. If you really want SH5 improved so much, have you considered learning to mod yourself? That's exactly what Ducimus did, and look at how much he's accomplished. If so, the future awaits. If not, you really have no business criticizing others for not doing what you won't do yourself

What about SH5? Yes, it's prettier than its forbears. No one disagrees with that. But is it really better? Is it really the future? I'd like to think so, and I've said as much on more than one occasion. Unfortunately, it isn't there yet, and while mods have helped ease the pain, the fact is that it needs more than mods. It needs to be fixed from the inside, and most modders feel that is not their job.

So we continue to fiddle with SH3 and SH4 and wait for the people with actual programming skills to do what they can, and hope that it will be enough.