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Old 01-08-11, 06:33 AM   #22
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Let us squeeze out this thread
Why?
It is interesting.
Its exploring the problems of culture and adapting to the local cultures.
Its far better than just a stream of the latest BBC headlines.

So far we have a German who complains about people not fitting into German culture while complaining about German culture and about people having loyalties to other things rather than the state where thery live while he says he has no loyalty to the state where he lives.
That suggests a german wrestling with his own cultural identity floundering when trying to wrestle with another.
Then we have a Dutchman who isn't really a Dutchman saying that what other Dutch people do isn't Dutch culture as its a differnt part of the country and in his part of the country where they are not really Dutch they don't do the Dutch thing so it isn't a Dutch thing.

Its very illustrative of the problem of defining culture which people complain about others not adopting.
After all if there is a call for native born citizens who are descendants of immigrants to be thrown out of the country for not having the local culture then you must also throw out all the native born citizens who are descendants of locals who don't have the local culture, after all they both have the same legal status.

One example the Brits had a few years ago in a dumb attempt to define Britishness was the cricket question, after all what could be more British.
So do you support england in cricket?
Most British would reply either
England???? I ain't English
Cricket is a crap game
England are crap at cricket
or of course.......I support Yorkshire!!!!!!!

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Speaking as a non-Duch-speaking non-integrated immigrant to the Netherlands....I'll just stay quiet
Could be worse, you could be one of those english speaking Dubs who move to London and then insist on speaking Irish
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