U.S. Navy to Probe Lewd Videos Shown to Carrier Crew

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

his/her ability to keep a team of 5,000+ people and a 50-year-old 8-reactor ship ready for combat. The bottom line is they're about to remove someone who is very good at his job

Is that so?

The atmosphere amongst the crew, its unity, effects combat efficiency, here and in any other case where people lead other people in critical, dangerous contexts. And if these leaders let down part of their subordinates in the way it has been done here, then you cannot claim they are keeping team cohesion and combat efficiency.

This guy did exactly the opposite.

If you give up parts of your team that you are leading, then the team gives up on you.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

I wish you could've been onboard when we went thru shellback initiation. The depravity of that ordeal makes Cdr Honors video look like a sunday church brunch.

A time honored navy tradition still practiced (FAR away from limp-wristed PC eyes).

Well, then you probably won't want to make videotapes of it. That way, there is no chance of it being publicized and having me and the rest of the limp-wristed PCers getting upset about them.

[August]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

I wish you could've been onboard when we went thru shellback initiation. The depravity of that ordeal makes Cdr Honors video look like a sunday church brunch.

A time honored navy tradition still practiced (FAR away from limp-wristed PC eyes).

Far away no more Maddog. I think the power of modern media technology will change the military far more than most folks now realize.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Far away no more Maddog. I think the power of modern media technology will change the military far more than most folks now realize.

Oh, no doubt. Just as it has with the rest of society. I am very happy that I was through my 'youthful indiscretion' phase before digital photography, YouTube and Facebook came into their own.

[TLAM Strike]

I just wonder what our enemies put in their morale boosting videos...

>>Insert image of 12 year old kid beheading a man<<

...oh right...

[Skybird]

In how far are the videos shot onboard the Enterprise "moral boosting" films, TLAM?

Sexism against female crew members, and offending people for their sexuality and exposing them to public mockery, is no moral-boosting - it undermines moral integrity.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In how far are the videos shot onboard the Enterprise "moral boosting" films, TLAM?

Sexism against female crew members, and offending people for their sexuality and exposing them to public mockery, is no moral-boosting - it undermines moral integrity.

Its called sarcasm Skybird. You take a situation and make it absurd to cause a reaction of humor in the viewer.

Take the part where people are showing together, you have the two girls in the shower saying they should get six minutes of water instead of three. He wasn't making some kind of sexiest lets have all the women shower together and watch statement, he was poking fun at the water rationing aboard ship in a way that people would remember to limit their showers.

Ok this is not high class humor, its South Park level humor. But people are looking way too much in to this and analyzing it too much.

[razark]

Originally Posted by August

Now I happen to agree with the Captains removal from command for this incident. I question the timing of it, why it's just coming up now, years later...

It's coming up now because the media just found out about it, and the Navy realized they need to take some sort of real action or appear to condone this type of activity.

[Aramike]

Just my opinion here, but during my time in service, I saw many, many examples of such behavior which were clearly of humorous intentions, albeit never from someone of such high position. That being said, it almost never occurred to me that there was anything deeper involved than cheap attempts at laughter. Furthermore, anyone who's been under the pressure of active duty can understand the need for such releases.

Then again, this individual was in quite a lofty position - and he evidently executed his duties fairly well. From personal experience, I've found that being in positions of authority sometimes renders your perception as inaccessible to the rank and file, and that humor can lower some barriers. So I can understand his efforts, especially as XO.

Let me just finalize with this: doesn't anyone else see it as odd that this comes out right on the heels of repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Its called sarcasm Skybird. You take a situation and make it absurd to cause a reaction of humor in the viewer.

Sarcasm is one thing. Derogatory "jokes" are something different. Good humour does not hurt anyone, and even can get the "victim" laughing. "Humour" that means tghurt, does - and beside it'S destructive intention tries to get away by claiming it is just "humour". If the victim at whose cost this "joke" is running, complains - it gets accused of not understanding humour, and being oversensitive. Where in fact it is the attacker showing lack of sensitivity, because he is just a club of woods.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sarcasm is one thing. Derogatory "jokes" are something different. Good humour does not hurt anyone, and even can get the "victim" laughing. "Humour" that means tghurt, does - and beside it'S destructive intention tries to get away by claiming it is just "humour". If the victim at whose cost this "joke" is running, complains - it gets accused of not understanding humour, and being oversensitive. Where in fact it is the attacker showing lack of sensitivity, because he is just a club of woods.

I would agree with you perhaps ... if the circumstance was directed at someone in particular. To be honest, I haven't seen the entirety of the videos ... is that the case?

[Blood_splat]

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Aramike

I would agree with you perhaps ... if the circumstance was directed at someone in particular. To be honest, I haven't seen the entirety of the videos ... is that the case?

I didn't see anything directed at any one person in particular in the three videos I watched.

Most of the jokes were either crude slapstick, jokes at Cdr Honors' own expense (dancing with the ship's mascot parrot, liaisons with a goat in his cabin), sexual innuendo, or Cdr Honors' alter egos (a Aviator and a SWO) insulting each other.

...Nothing worse than what we say about Jim...

[Molon Labe]

Next time I see that dark blue working uniform the first thing that'll come to my mind is "SWOveralls," lol.

[mookiemookie]

As a bleeding heart leftie, Marxist, socialist, dadgum liberal....

I really was pretty entertained by the video. I thought it was funny and pretty harmless. But I do see the point that if you're going to do this kind of sophomoric crap, for God's sake, don't film it! Lest the PC brigade eat you for lunch. Which is going to happen here. Looks like the XO was going out of his way to relate to the crew, which is commendable, but the way he was going about it wasn't.

Ah well.