Hey, Waiter! Just How Much Extra Do You Really Expect? - Page 2

Onkel Neal · 12-28-10, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

After our Thursday 'Game Nights' we always go to the same Denny's. The night waiter there likes us and takes good care of us, and we make sure he is amply rewarded for his excellent service.

Yeah. If a guy cannot tip at least 10%, eat at home. Or McDonald's.

Sailor Steve · 12-28-10, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah. If a guy cannot tip at least 10%, eat at home. Or McDonald's.

Here in Utah it seems to be a tradition to see who can tip the least.

I always start at 20%, then round up to the nearest whole dollar. And I'm dirt-poor.

McBeck · 12-28-10, 12:32 PM

Me and my wife travel all over the world and I go to India as a part of my job, so I always take great care in finding out what the local tipping policy is before I go.

However, as a standard I only tip if I get waited on. I don't tip places where I drive up to a window and get it over the counter.

If I get waited on and the service is either non-existing or very poor, then I dont tip. Ex: I went to a Chinese restaurant in Chinatown in SF. The service was extremely poor and borderline rude. When I got my change back, I didn't leave any for tip and the lady looked at me and pointed to the bowl yelling "TIP-TIP!!" I replied "I don't think so..." and left with her curses in Chinese trailing me.
That being said - If I get a good service, I will tip well!

mookiemookie · 12-28-10, 12:52 PM

And interesting and potentially provocative question - are black folks truly worse tippers, or is it a sort of self fulfilling prophecy where the server expects to be stiffed, thus offering subpar service that one wouldn't tip for in any case?

My experience, along with that of friends in the service industry say it's the former, and not the latter. Of course you can't make a blanket judgement and say ALL black folks are lousy tippers, because they're not, but there certainly seems to be something to the stereotype.

Gerald · 12-28-10, 01:47 PM

Giving tip I do, whether it is not included, you get service and think it is reasonable so it is natural to give, and in many countries, where it is known that they do not have high wages

FIREWALL · 12-28-10, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

This guy comes across like a raging douchenozzle. The service isn't included in the menu price, just pay your bill and tip the man/woman and be on your way. Don't go out to eat or drink if you can't afford or don't want to tip.

What he said.

Rockstar · 12-28-10, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I have to agree with Mookie. The main reason I tip wait service is I know their pay is about $2.25 an hour without tips. I don't like the system. I would be happier if they got paid at least minimum wage, and then tips. But the reality is, part of their pay comes directly from me and I can't stiff a guy who is waiting on me.

I have my favorite haunts to eat at: Dot's, Emma's Tex Mex Grill, Busy Bee. The waitresses there know and love me, cause I take care of them. A happy waiter/waitress is part of the dining experience.

You have your favorite waitresses and you take care of them. On the flip side of that coin you are now their favorite customer. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But I would think it was on account how they treated you as a customer first. They are then working for that tip and I would certainly and most generously appreciate what they do just the same as you. Good service friendly atmosphere, is not personal its just good for business and good for generous tips.

But for me to pay additional monies and call it a tip because I perceive employer is stiffing the employee is not a reason for me to open up the wallet. It isn't about feeling sorry for them, they make the first move not me. I can and have on many occasion gone somewhere else to eat.

FIREWALL · 12-28-10, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Giving tip I do, whether it is not included, you get service and think it is reasonable so it is natural to give, and in many countries, where it is known that they do not have high wages

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If every waiter quit and got a job elsewhere, who would wait tables? Some people, especially in this job environment, cannot get another job. Waiters make $2.13 an hour, as they are expected to make up the rest in tips.

I agree with you that everyone with their hand out doesn't deserve a tip. I cross out the tip section of the receipt at my local sandwich shop where I get takeaway lunch. But an actual waiter or bartender? 20% standard. Less if they screw up, more if I feel like they did a good job.

If someone can't afford to tip or has some kind of ethical stance against it, then they should stay at home.

Again. What he said.

FIREWALL · 12-28-10, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I have to agree with Mookie. The main reason I tip wait service is I know their pay is about $2.25 an hour without tips. I don't like the system. I would be happier if they got paid at least minimum wage, and then tips. But the reality is, part of their pay comes directly from me and I can't stiff a guy who is waiting on me.

I have my favorite haunts to eat at: Dot's, Emma's Tex Mex Grill, Busy Bee. The waitresses there know and love me, cause I take care of them. A happy waiter/waitress is part of the dining experience.

And also what he said.

Gerald · 12-28-10, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Again. What he said.

You have the answer in your hand,

Armistead · 12-28-10, 04:55 PM

I can remember as a teen getting paid like a $1.25 and tips made up the amount to min. wage, about $2. something then. What sucks then I waited the front table, most waited 5. All tips went into a bin and were split with all employees except the cooks....and we worked our arses off.

mookiemookie · 12-28-10, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

I can remember as a teen getting paid like a $1.25 and tips made up the amount to min. wage, about $2. something then. What sucks then I waited the front table, most waited 5. All tips went into a bin and were split with all employees except the cooks....and we worked our arses off.

A lot of states now have laws against tip pooling with managers or other regularly salaried employees. But I would wager that many employers do it anyways, as they're counting on servers and bartenders not knowing the law or not wanting to rock the boat.

tater · 12-28-10, 07:08 PM

My standard tip is a rough 20% I round to nearest whole buck, usually, sometimes down, but never below 15% unless the service stinks (and I know many in the restaurant business, and know the difference between the front and back problems wise, so I only down tip for bad SERVICE, not problems in back).

Places we go a lot I will sometimes buy drinks for the kitchen, too. Do that and you get treated very well indeed.

FIREWALL · 12-28-10, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

My standard tip is a rough 20% I round to nearest whole buck, usually, sometimes down, but never below 15% unless the service stinks (and I know many in the restaurant business, and know the difference between the front and back problems wise, so I only down tip for bad SERVICE, not problems in back).

Places we go a lot I will sometimes buy drinks for the kitchen, too. Do that and you get treated very well indeed.

Again What he said

Feuer Frei! · 12-28-10, 08:03 PM

I agree, it seems some of you are saying that if staff are expecting a tip or are giving the impression that it is your right to tip after being given service then that is wrong, a bit like the porters in hotels when they take your luggage to your rooom and won't leave until they receive a tip for their troubles. That to me is rude...
However, what is the current percentage of a account's sub total in the U.S. at the moment which is made up of a tip?
12-15%?
In relation to tip jars being near a cash register, i don't have a problem with that, nothing wrong with that, it's not forcing you to tip.
Also remember, what is the restaurant's policy on tips? Do the staff get the tips, or do management slice a percentage off the tip so that staff are left with the 'crumbs'?
In the restaurants i have managed over the years, i have always enforced the policy that if a certain staff member has received a tip from a customer in the form of cash, then that tip is for that person alone.
However i have laso had the policy that all cash tips received, be it from credit cards or cash, were totalled up for the month, i had a spread sheet for that to track who was working the most during that month and what days/nights, then divided the total tips up to be paid out to my staff into their nominated bank account.
I think that staff that have truly earned their tips should also receive those tips. Makes for good morale and also keeps up service standards.
So, when tipping, just remember: what is the establishment's policy on tips? Does the staff member get the tip? Or does management either slice off a big chunk of it? When tipping, who do you really want the tip to go to?

12-28-10, 12:32 PM	#18
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Me and my wife travel all over the world and I go to India as a part of my job, so I always take great care in finding out what the local tipping policy is before I go. However, as a standard I only tip if I get waited on. I don't tip places where I drive up to a window and get it over the counter. If I get waited on and the service is either non-existing or very poor, then I dont tip. Ex: I went to a Chinese restaurant in Chinatown in SF. The service was extremely poor and borderline rude. When I got my change back, I didn't leave any for tip and the lady looked at me and pointed to the bowl yelling "TIP-TIP!!" I replied "I don't think so..." and left with her curses in Chinese trailing me. That being said - If I get a good service, I will tip well! __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

12-28-10, 12:52 PM	#19
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	And interesting and potentially provocative question - are black folks truly worse tippers, or is it a sort of self fulfilling prophecy where the server expects to be stiffed, thus offering subpar service that one wouldn't tip for in any case? My experience, along with that of friends in the service industry say it's the former, and not the latter. Of course you can't make a blanket judgement and say ALL black folks are lousy tippers, because they're not, but there certainly seems to be something to the stereotype. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Giving tip I do, whether it is not included, you get service and think it is reasonable so it is natural to give, and in many countries, where it is known that they do not have high wages __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

12-28-10, 08:03 PM	#30
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	I agree, it seems some of you are saying that if staff are expecting a tip or are giving the impression that it is your right to tip after being given service then that is wrong, a bit like the porters in hotels when they take your luggage to your rooom and won't leave until they receive a tip for their troubles. That to me is rude... However, what is the current percentage of a account's sub total in the U.S. at the moment which is made up of a tip? 12-15%? In relation to tip jars being near a cash register, i don't have a problem with that, nothing wrong with that, it's not forcing you to tip. Also remember, what is the restaurant's policy on tips? Do the staff get the tips, or do management slice a percentage off the tip so that staff are left with the 'crumbs'? In the restaurants i have managed over the years, i have always enforced the policy that if a certain staff member has received a tip from a customer in the form of cash, then that tip is for that person alone. However i have laso had the policy that all cash tips received, be it from credit cards or cash, were totalled up for the month, i had a spread sheet for that to track who was working the most during that month and what days/nights, then divided the total tips up to be paid out to my staff into their nominated bank account. I think that staff that have truly earned their tips should also receive those tips. Makes for good morale and also keeps up service standards. So, when tipping, just remember: what is the establishment's policy on tips? Does the staff member get the tip? Or does management either slice off a big chunk of it? When tipping, who do you really want the tip to go to? __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

12-28-10, 04:55 PM	#26
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I can remember as a teen getting paid like a $1.25 and tips made up the amount to min. wage, about $2. something then. What sucks then I waited the front table, most waited 5. All tips went into a bin and were split with all employees except the cooks....and we worked our arses off.

12-28-10, 07:08 PM	#28
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	My standard tip is a rough 20% I round to nearest whole buck, usually, sometimes down, but never below 15% unless the service stinks (and I know many in the restaurant business, and know the difference between the front and back problems wise, so I only down tip for bad SERVICE, not problems in back). Places we go a lot I will sometimes buy drinks for the kitchen, too. Do that and you get treated very well indeed.