Who had the best submarines in wwII?

12-23-10, 05:03 PM

U777 · 12-23-10, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Funny, I happen to live in that region lol

Gargamel · 12-24-10, 12:32 AM

Ok, since this got bumped already (Not me this time! I swear!!), I don't feel so guilty asking this. Reading the thread, this question popped into my head. And it actually may reinforce the apples vs oranges arguement.

Would density of the water affect the crush depth?

Modern ships have that density tree painted on the side of their hulls, indicating max load for a given body of water. Fresh water (great lakes, etc) had a lower density since they were fresh water, and merchants can safely hold less cargo than a tropical Ocean, since the salinity is higher.

How would this affect Subs? Would the Germans/British have a shallower crush depth since their water is more 'dense', and the Americans/Japanese have a greater depth? Not sure on where the Med rates, but that's the Italians.

Or is it a moot point since the difference would be so small that individual boat factors (welds, age, damage, etc) would affect it first?

Sailor Steve · 12-24-10, 01:11 PM

The real crush depth varies by individual boat. Even with modern production line techniques one bad weld can make a difference, though a very small one. The only way to actually find a boat's crush depth is to go deeper until you get crushed, which is not a recommended tactic.

I'm sure density does make a difference, but how would you tell?

Jimbuna · 12-24-10, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The real crush depth varies by individual boat. Even with modern production line techniques one bad weld can make a difference, though a very small one. The only way to actually find a boat's crush depth is to go deeper until you get crushed, which is not a recommended tactic.

I'm sure density does make a difference, but how would you tell?

Well you wouldn't after the ultimate test

Schwieger · 01-09-11, 01:22 AM

I'd take a B-1/I-15 sub over the 7c or Trench, Gato or Balao... seaplane could really help to spot those targets not to mention it was as fast as the American boats

VONHARRIS · 01-09-11, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwieger

I'd take a B-1/I-15 sub over the 7c or Trench, Gato or Balao... seaplane could really help to spot those targets not to mention it was as fast as the American boats

On the other hand the seaplane would have been spotted by the targets and that means destroyers hunting you.

I believe the Germans had the advantage in submarine warfare (both in weapons and tactics) at the start of WWII and lost it to the Allies ASW technology.

If the XXI type was put to service earlier then they might had a chance to fight back.

IMO the XXI and her little sister XXIII were the best subs of WWII.

12-24-10, 12:32 AM	#3
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Ok, since this got bumped already (Not me this time! I swear!!), I don't feel so guilty asking this. Reading the thread, this question popped into my head. And it actually may reinforce the apples vs oranges arguement. Would density of the water affect the crush depth? Modern ships have that density tree painted on the side of their hulls, indicating max load for a given body of water. Fresh water (great lakes, etc) had a lower density since they were fresh water, and merchants can safely hold less cargo than a tropical Ocean, since the salinity is higher. How would this affect Subs? Would the Germans/British have a shallower crush depth since their water is more 'dense', and the Americans/Japanese have a greater depth? Not sure on where the Med rates, but that's the Italians. Or is it a moot point since the difference would be so small that individual boat factors (welds, age, damage, etc) would affect it first? __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

12-24-10, 01:11 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The real crush depth varies by individual boat. Even with modern production line techniques one bad weld can make a difference, though a very small one. The only way to actually find a boat's crush depth is to go deeper until you get crushed, which is not a recommended tactic. I'm sure density does make a difference, but how would you tell? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-09-11, 01:22 AM	#6
Schwieger Commodore Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: U-142 Posts: 624 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I'd take a B-1/I-15 sub over the 7c or Trench, Gato or Balao... seaplane could really help to spot those targets not to mention it was as fast as the American boats __________________ Support U-Boot_HAHD: Install Dropbox Click Here & Increase The Teams Dropbox space and get 2.25GB of free online Storage space for yourself.

12-23-10, 05:03 PM	#1
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