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Old 12-23-10, 01:30 PM   #1
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Atleast HMS Ocean is been kept in service, although at the cost of HMS Invincible, so we will still have a ship capable of delivering troops and helicopters to a warzone.
That's presuming we will still have an army.....Hell we've more admirals than ships in the navy now!!
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I loved the cute little harriers, so does this mean they are all decommissioned with the carriers now?
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Old 12-23-10, 02:13 PM   #3
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I loved the cute little harriers, so does this mean they are all decommissioned with the carriers now?
Depends on what Harrier you are talking about.

The Harrier GR1-3/AV-8 A&C Harrier/AV-8S Matador is still in service with the Royal Thai Navy only, The Spanish, USMC, and RAF versions are all retired.
The Sea Harrier is retired in RN service, the Indian Navy still has about 8-10.
The AV-8B Harrier II is still in service with the USMC, Italian Navy, Spanish Navy.
The Harrier II GR5-7 has been retired in Joint RAF/RN service
The Harrier II GR9 will be retired in April next year and are currently "Inactive"
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Old 12-23-10, 03:00 PM   #4
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The USMC retired their Harriers too? I guess that's one of the things that factored into the FAA withdrawing their Harriers.
Still a shame but the F-35, once in service, should be a rather nice piece of kit.
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The USMC retired their Harriers too? I guess that's one of the things that factored into the FAA withdrawing their Harriers.
Still a shame but the F-35, once in service, should be a rather nice piece of kit.
No, the USMC had two Harriers...
The AV-8A and C Harrier, basically a GR1 Harrier with the GR3 engine.

The AV-8B Harrier II, basically a more capable (all weather/Day and Night) American modification that formed the basis for the UK's GR5/7/9 Harrier II.


Edit: People would be screaming if we retired the Harrier right now. We got 10 flight decks that the Harrier is the only Fixed Wing fighter that can operate off them.
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The AV-8B Harrier II, basically a more capable (all weather/Day and Night) American modification that formed the basis for the UK's GR5/7/9 Harrier II.
Actually a joint US/UK modification of the original Harrier, springing from an original British proposal.

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If things get that bad I'm sure the US Navy has some mothballed Destroyers left over from the Cuban Missile Crisis they could loan you, those would be just as effective as those Type 22 frigates I think.
Given the condition, design and eventual cost of the last US destroyers we got, I doubt the Royal Navy considers you have anything suitable to replace a mature, combat-proven class ("combat" not including driving them into Iraqi minefields, USN-style).
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Given the condition, design and eventual cost of the last US destroyers we got, I doubt the Royal Navy considers you have anything suitable to replace a mature, combat-proven class ("combat" not including driving them into Iraqi minefields, USN-style).
Shall I quote Farragut?

Oh and I guess our warships are not combat proven?


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That's presuming we will still have an army.....
I'm sure they could be used to transport units of our army or marine corps.

Worse comes to worse you can put those red coat guys with funny hats that guard the queen on it.
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Old 12-24-10, 11:34 AM   #9
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I'm sure they could be used to transport units of our army or marine corps.

Worse comes to worse you can put those red coat guys with funny hats that guard the queen on it.
The Guards Regiments are probably the safest in the current financial climte but I wouldn't put it past the current government to trim them down eventually.

Looks like we'll soon be heading back to the days of Lend Lease
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Old 12-23-10, 03:07 PM   #10
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Hell we've more admirals than ships in the navy now!!
Funny in the old days they'd have been on the beach on half pay by now as well.
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