A system of revenge

danlisa · 12-23-10, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by August

He should have thought of that before he betrayed his country.

Really, and I suppose loyalty to ones country is more important than exposing high level corruption, lies to the general populous and the general arrogance/ignorance of the US political system.

If you want to bury your head and pretend none of this happens, carry on. PFC Manning should be applauded for his stance and the 'Land of the Free' should practice what they seem intent on preaching.

Unfortunately, the US is allowed (in no small part by it's population) to say one thing and do another.

*Slow clap* @ the United States of America, land of justice and home of the free.

DarkFish · 12-23-10, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Really, and I suppose loyalty to ones country is more important than exposing high level corruption, lies to the general populous and the general arrogance/ignorance of the US political system.

If you want to bury your head and pretend none of this happens, carry on. PFC Manning should be applauded for his stance and the 'Land of the Free' should practice what they seem intent on preaching.

Unfortunately, the US is allowed (in no small part by it's population) to say one thing and do another.

*Slow clap* @ the United States of America, land of justice and home of the free.

Aye. Pretty much all discussion coming from the Americans here is how Manning should be punished for what he's done. Not about what the government did and how the government should be punished.

Danlisa is right here, you do seem like ostriches following the flock of the Master Ostrich, all burying your heads deep in the sand.

Blood_splat · 12-23-10, 10:02 AM

I'm an American and I'm glad it happened. Too many Americans have blind love for our government and military. If you can't spend it, screw it, or eat it, most Americans don't want to be bothered. We fight bleed and die for our countries super rich and vote against our own interests.

August · 12-23-10, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Blood_splat

I'm an American and I'm glad it happened. Too many Americans have blind love for our government and military. If you can't spend it, screw it, or eat it, most Americans don't want to be bothered. We fight bleed and die for our countries super rich and vote against our own interests.

We? Where have you served?

DarkFish · 12-23-10, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by August

We? Where have you served?

I sincerely hope you don't mean to say that anyone who hasn't served is a less good/patriotic/worthy citizen.

Blood_splat · 12-23-10, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish

I sincerely hope you don't mean to say that anyone who hasn't served is a less good/patriotic/worthy citizen.

He is, besides my dad spilled his blood in that nice little war in Vietnam.

DarkFish · 12-23-10, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Blood_splat

He is, besides my dad spilled his blood in that nice little war in Vietnam.

Good for you. Now does that make you or your dad a better person than the average John Doe on the streets?

August · 12-23-10, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blood_splat

He is, besides my dad spilled his blood in that nice little war in Vietnam.

No I am not and your father is not you.

August · 12-23-10, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish

I sincerely hope you don't mean to say that anyone who hasn't served is a less good/patriotic/worthy citizen.

I usually say exactly what I mean Darkfish. The man said "we". That implies inclusiveness.

MaddogK · 12-23-10, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Blood_splat

I'm an American and I'm glad it happened. Too many Americans have blind love for our government and military. If you can't spend it, screw it, or eat it, most Americans don't want to be bothered. We fight bleed and die for our countries super rich and vote against our own interests.

I'm curious as to why you think betraying your oath (your sworn promise) to not divulge classified information entrusted to you is a good thing. The military doesn't allow loopholes in the rules to allow this because an individuals conscious demands he break his oath.

danlisa · 12-23-10, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

I'm curious as to why you think betraying your oath (your sworn promise) to not divulge classified information entrusted to you is a good thing.

Where it states "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

Or is there another Oath that supersedes that one?

MaddogK · 12-23-10, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Where it states "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

Or is there another Oath that supersedes that one?

THAT phrase was NOT part of the security agreement, which I believe supercedes the general oath you're quoting from.

danlisa · 12-23-10, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

THAT phrase was NOT part of the security agreement, which I believe supercedes the general oath you're quoting from.

So that's the Oath of Office then?

I'm having trouble finding this 'Oath of Security'.

How many contradicting Oaths are there?

DarkFish · 12-23-10, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

THAT phrase was NOT part of the security agreement, which I believe supercedes the general oath you're quoting from.

Yes, he did fail his duty as a soldier.
But as a citizen of the United States, he did what he should have done.

Seriously, why do you Americans put so much emphasis on this guy, and not on what your government does? Your government is the bigger criminal here. Yet you all insist on going after the "petty thief" while letting the big bad guy walk away.

Does this mean that:
- You are so indoctrinated by your government that you accept everything it does to you
- You think your government is entitled to do literally everything it wants, even things that go against your own constitution
- You think that being a spy is a bigger crime than being a government that betrays and lies to its own people

Now which of the above is it?

Krauter · 12-24-10, 12:53 PM

Sorry if this has nothing to do with the past 5 pages of discussion, but I haven't the time nor patience to read about how this guy is mistreated.

First off: Betray your country, expect it to shat on your life.

Secondly: Go to any hospital, mental ward, etc and they do this (checking every 5-10 minutes). It's called suicide watch.

Cheers.

Kraute

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Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I'm an American and I'm glad it happened. Too many Americans have blind love for our government and military. If you can't spend it, screw it, or eat it, most Americans don't want to be bothered. We fight bleed and die for our countries super rich and vote against our own interests.