Torpedo clock

[Recrut Tsoul]

Originally Posted by Do you have any evidence for that wild claim? Sure, there are always people who get appointments through good connections, but by-and-large every captain [I

was[/I] an XO first, and a lower officer before that, and any good captain knew his boat and his crew inside-out.

Yes I do have evidence, Germany had the entire world in the palm of there hands, they let a bunch of morons at the top make decidions for them, these morons kept themselves at the top, you had 1 moron say: lets declair a superior race, and another moron that got beaten up by a jewish kid when he was younger says: lets exterminate the jews, and another moron to think fighting against the United States would be there best decidion.

I highy doubt these morons were elected into power, they were put into power via politics, and shiit always run down hill.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Recrut Tsoul

Yes I do have evidence, Germany had the entire world in the palm of there hands, they let a bunch of morons at the top make decidions for them, these morons kept themselves at the top, you had 1 moron say: lets declair a superior race, and another moron that got beaten up by a jewish kid when he was younger says: lets exterminate the jews, and another moron to think fighting against the United States would be there best decidion.

I highy doubt these morons were elected into power, they were put into power via politics, and shiit always run down hill.

What you highly doubt is irrelevant. Evidence means documentation proving that, say, Kretschmer, got his commission by favoritism, or that he was stupid and his 1WO did all the work?

If not, then everything you say is opinion, not fact.

[FIREWALL]

Opinions are like A-Holes. Everybodys got one.

I think he generalized and didn't want to write an Essay with links.

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by Recrut Tsoul

Yes I do have evidence, Germany.... they were put into power via politics, and shiit always run down hill.

And this helps me play the game better how?

[Obersteuermann]

Originally Posted by Recrut Tsoul

Yes I do have evidence, Germany had the entire world in the palm of there hands, they let a bunch of morons at the top make decidions for them, these morons kept themselves at the top, you had 1 moron say: lets declair a superior race, and another moron that got beaten up by a jewish kid when he was younger says: lets exterminate the jews, and another moron to think fighting against the United States would be there best decidion.

I highy doubt these morons were elected into power, they were put into power via politics, and shiit always run down hill.

Put another way, you've no idea what you're talking about and are just relying on Hollywood's versions of events to give you a general impression.

Hitler's Reich was undoubtedly evil, but the Wehrmacht was one of the finest fighting forces ever raised: to the point where the newly formed Israeli Defence Force decided to copy their tactical doctrine in preference to American or British doctrines. The Germans didn't put the world on its back foot for three years by promoting any old idiot.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Recrut Tsoul

Yes I do have evidence, Germany had the entire world in the palm of there hands, they let a bunch of morons at the top make decidions for them, these morons kept themselves at the top, you had 1 moron say: lets declair a superior race, and another moron that got beaten up by a jewish kid when he was younger says: lets exterminate the jews, and another moron to think fighting against the United States would be there best decidion.

I highy doubt these morons were elected into power, they were put into power via politics, and shiit always run down hill.

When and how exactly did Germany have the world 'in the palm of their hands'?

[Mittelwaechter]

Maybe he saw this documentation...

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Maybe he saw this documentation...

I assume you mean documentary? Documentation is usually paper, while a documentary is usually Film.

All good though.

[Tessa]

By the outbreak of the war the KM already had a very well trained officer core that was selected purely from their previous experience. While there was no Navy between 1918-1930 there was still merchant marines. Prien is a prime example, he was already a very salty sailor by the time the KM recruited him into the U-Boats program. Previously he served for 10 years iirc in the merchant marine starting at the bottom and moving nearly to having his own command by the time the KM began reforming.

In the time well before hostilities began all the kadet kapitans had performing a lot of testing and practice with real torpedoes (minus the payload of course) each perspective captain was put through a battery of tests and war games. Prien happened to end up in the top 10 (was #4 I believe) of all the testing the KM had done to see which captains were worthy of command of any u-boat. Prien was lucky and with his high scores was one of the few that got assigned a type VII, competition was so fierce that even Kretschmer's first command was a duck (type II). From 38 till about mid 40 they had a very skilled group of sailors that were training to became u-boat captains instead of surface ships where they had all gotten their experience.

That pool of talent dried up and the KM was never really able to fully recover from the loss of the "old breed". In 39' or 40' you had to have already proven yourself on the sea just to get command or even a commission on a duck. We all know what happens later in the war...

[Jimbuna]

I await the response from Recrut Tsoul

[Mittelwaechter]

@ Gargamel

Of course it's documentary - documentation is the anglified German term.

@ frau kaleun

The scene is absolutly brilliant and Wagner's Lohengrin Overture is outstanding as well. I love to wake up with it.

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I await the response from Recrut Tsoul

I don't.

Unless he has nothing but advice about how to play better.

SubSim has a "general" forum for politics, rants, revisionism, etc.... let it move over there.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Maybe he saw this documentation...

I just watched this all the way through today for the first time.

That scene is awesome.

And the final scene - well. I think Chaplin was speaking from his heart there. First movie in which he spoke and boy did he ever.