Julian Assange arrested (merged)

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Just heard in the finnish "Radio Rock" news that some or all of the Wikileaks (didn't really listen, it's 7:30Am and I thikn I'm still a tad drunk) crew are breaking off and are going to make their own site that releases leaked documents to only few chosen news sites. It should be coming online on Monday under the name of "openleaks".

EDIT: Then again, the morning show is just about making fun of everything and everyone. So... maybe better to wait for Monday and wait and see.

EDIT2: Here be something about it: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025254-281.html

Saw it confirmed on a British and German news site as well. Although they said "some" co-wokers abandon Wikileaks over Assange treating them "like slave workers" - so not all staff is leaving, said these news.

Anyhow, I think what we see in general is a new media format and a new "phase" in public politics. Seeing how intensely the power-monopoles and secrecy-m onopoles has been absued by governments, political parties, lobby groups, and the network these three formed in the hidden, I cannot different then in general welcoming this trend, although I also see that it will make some businesses of dsealing with totalitarian regimes and powerful business lobbies running in hidden dirty-mode much more difficult. Our politcs are so deeply corrupted and an abuse of the terms "transparency" and "democracy" and "freedom", that the gains of many more Wikileaks-clones seem to outweigh the losses.

At least as long as we do not volkuntariuly wish to turn ourselves into totalitarian regimes. Nobody of us lives in a real democracy currently. It all is mixtures of oligarchies and plutocracies and lobby-Mafias.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Skybird

At least as long as we do not volkuntariuly wish to turn ourselves into totalitarian regimes. Nobody of us lives in a real democracy currently. It all is mixtures of oligarchies and plutocracies and lobby-Mafias.

Do you really belive that totally transparent goverment could function at all in todays world without turning its country to anarchy.
Its like with comunizm as some said it could work if all world turnd to it. Same with utopian democracy.

[onelifecrisis]

I'm getting tired of people talking about full transparency.

Even if Wikileaks carries on with it's operation we still won't have full transparency, we'll just have a way for people to leak things. Things still have to get leaked, and people tend not to leak things (which is treason) except when they are in strong disagreement with what their government is doing.

[onelifecrisis]

It's official: the US are moving to indict Assange.

[antikristuseke]

mroe from the leaks http://www.ding.net/wikileaks/234867.txt

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

mroe from the leaks http://www.ding.net/wikileaks/234867.txt

I hate you

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

It's official: the US are moving to indict Assange.

This gets more complicated by the day.

I wonder how long the whole process will take?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

This gets more complicated by the day.

I wonder how long the whole process will take?

Knowing the efficiency of our civil and military legal systems, we should see some closure before summer 2031.

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

This gets more complicated by the day.

I wonder how long the whole process will take?

I don't know, but I'm curious to see what's in Assange's "poison pill" a.k.a. "digital thermo-nuclear device" which, according his solicitor, will be released if Assange is arrested by the US.

[tater]

Funny the NYT was happy to publish this wikileaks stuff (damning to the US), yet they stood on principle, and did not publish the "private" "climategate" emails (even when the people in question were doing work for the UN and government with tax payer money).

Funny the NYT was happy to publish this wikileaks stuff (damning to the US),

Did you miss the news about them printing US "favourable" leaks from the wikileaks stuff at the request of the govt.?

yet they stood on principle, and did not publish the "private" "climategate" emails

Ah yes "climategate", despite the media frenzy and the conspiracy theories that story turned out to be 99.9% total rubbish.

[Catfish]

Hello,
i don't get it.

Assange was being accused of having had voluntarily sexual intercourse without using condomes, which may be "rape" in Sweden.
May it be that or not, he was absolved, but then accused again now, which is why Assange himself let himself be arrested, voluntarily, in England.

Now he may be delivered to Sweden for accusation before court, or maybe to Australia, because he is an Australian.

Anyway i do not get how he could EVER be sent to the United States ? He is no traitor, he was never a member of the US armed forces, he is nothing more than a journalist.

So if i as a german say that Mr Putin is a brutal dictator who has nothing to do with democracy, any country of the world can send me to Russia because of having said what everyone knows, maybe with some evidence ?
What about China ? Their government is abunch of liars ! I even have proof. Here, i said it.
Has anyone ever heard about international law ? WTF ?!

Greetings,
Catfish

[August]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I don't know, but I'm curious to see what's in Assange's "poison pill" a.k.a. "digital thermo-nuclear device" which, according his solicitor, will be released if Assange is arrested by the US.

I think it's all a bluff.

Given what we know of his source whatever he has is probably not much, if any, worse than what has been released already.

Besides like any blackmailer, and blackmail is exactly what this is, you just know that he's going to eventually release everything he's got anyways. If not now then just as soon as he can no longer profit from holding it back.

I say call his bluff and weather whatever storm results now while everyone is already prepared for the worst instead of letting him keep hitting us with "bombshells" timed to impact whenever we're most vulnerable.

Oh I expect that they'll also nail that little traitor Manning good for stealing the information in the first place. I understand he's facing (at the moment) 52 years. If Assange drops his poison pill and someone gets killed as a direct result of that he'll see those charges get upgraded to murder.

[onelifecrisis]

August, how do you know the source for the poison pill (assuming there is one) given that nobody knows what's in it?

[August]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

August, how do you know the source for the poison pill (assuming there is one) given that nobody knows what's in it?

AFAIK his source is an Army Pfc named Bradley Manning. Everything released so far has been from him. I guess we can't rule out a second source but so far I haven't heard of any evidence that one exists.