What the internet killed

Ducimus · 12-08-10, 09:57 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/photo/2010/1...-internet.html

I think they forgot to add newspapers and periodicals to their list.

frau kaleun · 12-08-10, 10:00 PM

I'd like to care, but I became desensitized to this sort of thing back when video killed the radio star.

Sailor Steve · 12-08-10, 10:02 PM

I don't get it.

Maybe because of all the +es.

the_tyrant · 12-08-10, 10:05 PM

from an essay i wrote a few days back:

Currently, our education system focuses more on the teaching of knowledge. Students need to memorize a large amount of facts. This has been a great idea in the past. But now, with the overwhelming amount of information that we could obtain through the internet the value of this method of education is disputable. Why would students need to memorize the components of a cell or the birthday of Adolf Hitler?
Back before the creation of the printing press, knowledge was extremely hard to come by, it had to be spread through had written works or by word of mouth. However, in this age of mass media and the internet, specific pieces of information are extremely easy to come by. It doesn’t matter if you don’t know the chemical structure of Sodium hydroxide, or Adolf Hitler’s death, or even the number of murders committed by Charles Manson, it doesn’t matter. With the internet, you could find it in less than 1 minute anyways.

anyways, i believe that the internet is going to cause fundamental changes in education

frau kaleun · 12-08-10, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I don't get it.

Maybe because of all the +es.

Sailor Steve · 12-08-10, 10:09 PM

Oh, I got that part. I just watched the OP slide show and realized that none of those things are dead for me, especially the reference books. So I don't get that anything was actually killed.

Platapus · 12-08-10, 10:09 PM

Some would call this progress.

And some of what was discussed in the article does not apply to everyone.

I, for example, leave work at work. I do not even check my work E-mail when at home nor do I do work at home (we have policy against that)

And the Internet Tubes have certainly not killed facts. The facts are still out there. People's laziness and their gullibility inhibit them from finding the facts. But the facts are out there.

You just won't find too many of them in the General Topics forum.

Ducimus · 12-08-10, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

anyways, i believe that the internet is going to cause fundamental changes in education

If that were to happen (what i think your espousing in your essay), we'd have a level of stupidfication that was previously unheard of.

Reece · 12-08-10, 10:15 PM

Retail stores!

the_tyrant · 12-08-10, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

If that were to happen (what i think your espousing in your essay), we'd have a level of stupidfication that was previously unheard of.

what i am saying is, most facts that we learn don't deserve to be memorized
instead, schools should teach students skills
so what i am saying is, don't make students memorize the formula for TNT
instead, teach them how to actually mix chemicals, they can find the formula online

Sailor Steve · 12-08-10, 10:26 PM

An excellent point. I know a lot of names and dates, but that's because they interest me, not because they are necessary. I think it's more important to teach a student to love a subject, whereas forced recitation sometimes teaches just the opposite.

As a good friend of mine once said, "When I was almost out of college I suddenly found myself wanting to go beat the crap out of my high school history teacher, just for making it so boring!"

frau kaleun · 12-08-10, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

what i am saying is, most facts that we learn don't deserve to be memorized
instead, schools should teach students skills
so what i am saying is, don't make students memorize the formula for TNT
instead, teach them how to actually mix chemicals, they can find the formula online

Actually a good deal of my schooling (particularly from the high school level on) was like that. The best of it was, anyway.

For instance "open book tests" were the norm in my science classes.
You could look up all the necessary formulas and facts in the book but if you didn't know which ones applied to the question at hand the book was useless.

Most literature and social science classes at that level, the tests and assignments were of the "essay" variety where you had to demonstrate something beyond the ability to regurgitate facts and figures.

I have no clue what it's like now, of course. I think the most important thing is for kids to be in an environment that encourages curiosity and thinking about things (rather than just memorizing the bare facts they need to get along) well before they enter a structured educational system. If they have that already they will find there are teachers out there who will respond when they see it. If they don't have it, it's an uphill battle for the school system. If a kid's lucky they'll come across a teacher who is excited about the subject matter in a way that ignites something similar in a responsive student.

Buddahaid · 12-08-10, 10:43 PM

People are losing what's called common sense because the look up everything and then know nothing.

Oberon · 12-09-10, 05:56 AM

Tis interesting indeed, and does make you wonder what would happen if one day someone accidentally pulled the internet's plug out of the wall.

papa_smurf · 12-09-10, 11:12 AM

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Tis interesting indeed, and does make you wonder what would happen if one day someone accidentally pulled the internet's plug out of the wall.

12-08-10, 09:57 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	What the internet killed http://www.newsweek.com/photo/2010/1...-internet.html I think they forgot to add newspapers and periodicals to their list.

12-08-10, 10:02 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I don't get it. Maybe because of all the +es. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-08-10, 10:09 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Oh, I got that part. I just watched the OP slide show and realized that none of those things are dead for me, especially the reference books. So I don't get that anything was actually killed. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-08-10, 10:09 PM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Some would call this progress. And some of what was discussed in the article does not apply to everyone. I, for example, leave work at work. I do not even check my work E-mail when at home nor do I do work at home (we have policy against that) And the Internet Tubes have certainly not killed facts. The facts are still out there. People's laziness and their gullibility inhibit them from finding the facts. But the facts are out there. You just won't find too many of them in the General Topics forum. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-08-10, 10:15 PM	#9
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,688 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	What did eBay kill? Retail stores! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

12-08-10, 10:00 PM	#2
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I'd like to care, but I became desensitized to this sort of thing back when video killed the radio star.

12-08-10, 10:05 PM	#4
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	from an essay i wrote a few days back: Currently, our education system focuses more on the teaching of knowledge. Students need to memorize a large amount of facts. This has been a great idea in the past. But now, with the overwhelming amount of information that we could obtain through the internet the value of this method of education is disputable. Why would students need to memorize the components of a cell or the birthday of Adolf Hitler? Back before the creation of the printing press, knowledge was extremely hard to come by, it had to be spread through had written works or by word of mouth. However, in this age of mass media and the internet, specific pieces of information are extremely easy to come by. It doesn’t matter if you don’t know the chemical structure of Sodium hydroxide, or Adolf Hitler’s death, or even the number of murders committed by Charles Manson, it doesn’t matter. With the internet, you could find it in less than 1 minute anyways. anyways, i believe that the internet is going to cause fundamental changes in education

12-08-10, 10:26 PM	#11
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	An excellent point. I know a lot of names and dates, but that's because they interest me, not because they are necessary. I think it's more important to teach a student to love a subject, whereas forced recitation sometimes teaches just the opposite. As a good friend of mine once said, "When I was almost out of college I suddenly found myself wanting to go beat the crap out of my high school history teacher, just for making it so boring!" __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-08-10, 10:43 PM	#13
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	People are losing what's called common sense because the look up everything and then know nothing. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-09-10, 05:56 AM	#14
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Tis interesting indeed, and does make you wonder what would happen if one day someone accidentally pulled the internet's plug out of the wall.