69 Years Ago... - Page 2

12-07-10, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weiss Pinguin

Not the time or place for this

Why not?

Oberon · 12-07-10, 01:24 PM

If you have to be told, you'll never understand it.

Growler · 12-07-10, 01:25 PM

Inevitably, the comparison between 7 Dec 41 and 11 Sep 01 is made, as both were "shocks to the system." This thread is not the place for such comparisons.

On an entirely thread-related note, I recently submitted a college paper for review, written about DD139 USS Ward, and her commander, William Outerbridge's actions outside the entrance to Pearl Harbor on the morning of the attack: the first official American shots of the war, and the first US sinking of a hostile submarine of the war, all occurred a little over an hour before the first Japanese aircraft appeared in the Sunday morning skies over Oahu.

Turned out that the reviewer on my paper is directly related to an USS O'Brien crewman. For those unfamiliar with the story, Ward was converted to a fast transport for the island-hopping campaign.

On the morning of 7 Dec 44, near Ormoc, she was struck by a single kamikaze. Initial reports were optimistic; the damage did not appear to be severe, and there was only one crewman injured by the strike. The fires spread quickly, however, and soon jeopardized the ship's ammo stowage. Ward's skipper gave the abandon ship command, and other destroyers in the area pulled alongside to help evacuate the ship.

Once the crew was off, the attending destroyers were given orders to sink the hulk of the Ward. USS O'Brien did the job - ironically under the command of one William Outerbridge. Three years to the day since his first command entered its name into the history books, he was ordered to sink it.

Got an A on the paper, too.

Takeda Shingen · 12-07-10, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Growler

On an entirely thread-related note, I recently submitted a college paper for review, written about DD139 USS Ward, and her commander, William Outerbridge's actions outside the entrance to Pearl Harbor on the morning of the attack: the first official American shots of the war, and the first US sinking of a hostile submarine of the war, all occurred a little over an hour before the first Japanese aircraft appeared in the Sunday morning skies over Oahu.

Turned out that the reviewer on my paper is directly related to an USS O'Brien crewman. For those unfamiliar with the story, Ward was converted to a fast transport for the island-hopping campaign.

On the morning of 7 Dec 44, near Ormoc, she was struck by a single kamikaze. Initial reports were optimistic; the damage did not appear to be severe, and there was only one crewman injured by the strike. The fires spread quickly, however, and soon jeopardized the ship's ammo stowage. Ward's skipper gave the abandon ship command, and other destroyers in the area pulled alongside to help evacuate the ship.

Once the crew was off, the attending destroyers were given orders to sink the hulk of the Ward. USS O'Brien did the job - ironically under the command of one William Outerbridge. Three years to the day since his first command entered its name into the history books, he was ordered to sink it.

Got an A on the paper, too.

I actually did not know this story. Thank you for sharing it with us!

Growler · 12-07-10, 01:33 PM

Glad to share. I knew some of the story before I started, but once I started the real research, it just kept getting more and more interesting. I had to go back and heavily edit the paper for length - it was WAY over the max for the assignment.

It was an honor to work in the paper, though, at least for me. There was a cloud of doubt over Ward's claim of the midget sub for a number of years, but that was finally dispelled in the early 2000's when a team from Hawai'i Underwater Research Lab found the wreck with a 4" hole in the conning tower, just like Outerbridge reported.

Weiss Pinguin · 12-07-10, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Growler

Glad to share. I knew some of the story before I started, but once I started the real research, it just kept getting more and more interesting. I had to go back and heavily edit the paper for length - it was WAY over the max for the assignment.

Thanks for that story, you learn something knew every day

mookiemookie · 12-07-10, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Growler

Inevitably, the comparison between 7 Dec 41 and 11 Sep 01 is made, as both were "shocks to the system." This thread is not the place for such comparisons.

On an entirely thread-related note, I recently submitted a college paper for review, written about DD139 USS Ward, and her commander, William Outerbridge's actions outside the entrance to Pearl Harbor on the morning of the attack: the first official American shots of the war, and the first US sinking of a hostile submarine of the war, all occurred a little over an hour before the first Japanese aircraft appeared in the Sunday morning skies over Oahu.

Turned out that the reviewer on my paper is directly related to an USS O'Brien crewman. For those unfamiliar with the story, Ward was converted to a fast transport for the island-hopping campaign.

On the morning of 7 Dec 44, near Ormoc, she was struck by a single kamikaze. Initial reports were optimistic; the damage did not appear to be severe, and there was only one crewman injured by the strike. The fires spread quickly, however, and soon jeopardized the ship's ammo stowage. Ward's skipper gave the abandon ship command, and other destroyers in the area pulled alongside to help evacuate the ship.

Once the crew was off, the attending destroyers were given orders to sink the hulk of the Ward. USS O'Brien did the job - ironically under the command of one William Outerbridge. Three years to the day since his first command entered its name into the history books, he was ordered to sink it.

Got an A on the paper, too.

I sent this on to some of my history buff friends. Great story!

Growler · 12-07-10, 02:31 PM

Let me check and see if I still have the paper. I'd be happy to submit it to the site if anyone cares to read it - if I even still have it.

the_tyrant · 12-07-10, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Growler

Let me check and see if I still have the paper. I'd be happy to submit it to the site if anyone cares to read it - if I even still have it.

We are interested mate
can you post it here?
thank you

Jimbuna · 12-07-10, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

We are interested mate
can you post it here?
thank you

Wouldn't mind seeing it also

Sailor Steve · 12-08-10, 01:51 AM

Yes, an excellent story! Thank you for salvaging a tarnished thread!

Growler · 12-08-10, 02:58 PM

I had to try, Steve.

The paper is resident on my HDD, along with the presentation that was the result of the paper. The presentation needed to be between 5 and 7 minutes, and was videotaped for submission to the grading authority. Sadly, the video was lost in a hard drive failure a few months ago. (whew!) The presentation still exists, as well as the paper. I'll need to convert the presentation over to a PowerPoint Executable; then I'll upload both to my hosting account (if I can figure out which one to use.)

Hopefully, I'll be posting links today.

Thanks for the interest, guys - I'll admit to being a little surprised.

Takeda Shingen · 12-08-10, 03:27 PM

I agree with Steve entirely. Thank you, Growler.

Platapus · 12-08-10, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Growler

Inevitably, the comparison between 7 Dec 41 and 11 Sep 01 is made, as both were "shocks to the system." This thread is not the place for such comparisons.

On an entirely thread-related note, I recently submitted a college paper for review, written about DD139 USS Ward, and her commander, William Outerbridge's actions outside the entrance to Pearl Harbor on the morning of the attack: the first official American shots of the war, and the first US sinking of a hostile submarine of the war, all occurred a little over an hour before the first Japanese aircraft appeared in the Sunday morning skies over Oahu.

Turned out that the reviewer on my paper is directly related to an USS O'Brien crewman. For those unfamiliar with the story, Ward was converted to a fast transport for the island-hopping campaign.

On the morning of 7 Dec 44, near Ormoc, she was struck by a single kamikaze. Initial reports were optimistic; the damage did not appear to be severe, and there was only one crewman injured by the strike. The fires spread quickly, however, and soon jeopardized the ship's ammo stowage. Ward's skipper gave the abandon ship command, and other destroyers in the area pulled alongside to help evacuate the ship.

Once the crew was off, the attending destroyers were given orders to sink the hulk of the Ward. USS O'Brien did the job - ironically under the command of one William Outerbridge. Three years to the day since his first command entered its name into the history books, he was ordered to sink it.

Got an A on the paper, too.

A great story

I did not know this story.

But I would have dinged you for misusing the word "ironically". This was a coincidence; it was not an irony.

I am the grammarian about whom your mother warned you

Growler · 12-08-10, 10:06 PM

The Ward Paper, the "lead in" to the Presentation, in PDF format.
>>HERE<<

The Presentation, also in PDF format.
>>HERE<<

Hope they're of use/interest to anyone; please be aware that I do retain the copyright for this work. Thanks for reading!

12-07-10, 01:24 PM	#17
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	If you have to be told, you'll never understand it. Last edited by Oberon; 12-07-10 at 07:00 PM.

12-07-10, 01:25 PM	#18
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Inevitably, the comparison between 7 Dec 41 and 11 Sep 01 is made, as both were "shocks to the system." This thread is not the place for such comparisons. On an entirely thread-related note, I recently submitted a college paper for review, written about DD139 USS Ward, and her commander, William Outerbridge's actions outside the entrance to Pearl Harbor on the morning of the attack: the first official American shots of the war, and the first US sinking of a hostile submarine of the war, all occurred a little over an hour before the first Japanese aircraft appeared in the Sunday morning skies over Oahu. Turned out that the reviewer on my paper is directly related to an USS O'Brien crewman. For those unfamiliar with the story, Ward was converted to a fast transport for the island-hopping campaign. On the morning of 7 Dec 44, near Ormoc, she was struck by a single kamikaze. Initial reports were optimistic; the damage did not appear to be severe, and there was only one crewman injured by the strike. The fires spread quickly, however, and soon jeopardized the ship's ammo stowage. Ward's skipper gave the abandon ship command, and other destroyers in the area pulled alongside to help evacuate the ship. Once the crew was off, the attending destroyers were given orders to sink the hulk of the Ward. USS O'Brien did the job - ironically under the command of one William Outerbridge. Three years to the day since his first command entered its name into the history books, he was ordered to sink it. Got an A on the paper, too. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

12-07-10, 01:33 PM	#20
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Glad to share. I knew some of the story before I started, but once I started the real research, it just kept getting more and more interesting. I had to go back and heavily edit the paper for length - it was WAY over the max for the assignment. It was an honor to work in the paper, though, at least for me. There was a cloud of doubt over Ward's claim of the midget sub for a number of years, but that was finally dispelled in the early 2000's when a team from Hawai'i Underwater Research Lab found the wreck with a 4" hole in the conning tower, just like Outerbridge reported. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

12-07-10, 02:31 PM	#23
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Let me check and see if I still have the paper. I'd be happy to submit it to the site if anyone cares to read it - if I even still have it. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

12-08-10, 01:51 AM	#26
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yes, an excellent story! Thank you for salvaging a tarnished thread! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-08-10, 02:58 PM	#27
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	I had to try, Steve. The paper is resident on my HDD, along with the presentation that was the result of the paper. The presentation needed to be between 5 and 7 minutes, and was videotaped for submission to the grading authority. Sadly, the video was lost in a hard drive failure a few months ago. (whew!) The presentation still exists, as well as the paper. I'll need to convert the presentation over to a PowerPoint Executable; then I'll upload both to my hosting account (if I can figure out which one to use.) Hopefully, I'll be posting links today. Thanks for the interest, guys - I'll admit to being a little surprised. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

12-08-10, 03:27 PM	#28
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I agree with Steve entirely. Thank you, Growler.

12-08-10, 10:06 PM	#30
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	The Ward Paper, the "lead in" to the Presentation, in PDF format. >>HERE<< The Presentation, also in PDF format. >>HERE<< Hope they're of use/interest to anyone; please be aware that I do retain the copyright for this work. Thanks for reading! __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.