Why is the left stuck on tax breaks for the rich...

Torvald Von Mansee · 12-03-10, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

...When it has been made abundantly clear that the GOP openly stated they want those tax cuts for ALL Americans?

Why can they not just spend 90 seconds of their welfare ridden days and read 10 sentences into any given news article to figure it out?

oh... read... got ya

Riiiiiiiight. It's the Democrats who are stuck on tax cuts for the rich:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-1.php?ref=fpa

You know how many times I've heard conservatives say: "life isn't fair"?

A LOT.

And yet when it comes to taxes they suddenly care?

GoldenRivet · 12-03-10, 12:20 PM

and why is it that when the Republicans say "All Americans"

the Democrats demonize the wealthy and say "well... maybe not all."

i guess their logic is that someone has to pay for the majority of their voters... may as well be the wealthy people.

GoldenRivet · 12-03-10, 12:24 PM

And no... Life is NOT fair.

for all of my successes there have been failures, and to that i say "Life is not fair.

But when someone says "lets extend tax cuts to All Americans" i dont think there should be any reason to exclude certain groups... especially when the group paying the most taxes are in the higher brackets anyhow.

Im confused by the Democrat mentality that they are entitled to other people's money. I'm astounded that it is a political platform.

Schools, roads, police, fire sure i can understand the public necessities... but all these social programs that encourage laziness?

antikristuseke · 12-03-10, 12:27 PM

You are both bloody morons if you think politicians in either party care about anything more than lining their pockets and hanging on to power.

GoldenRivet · 12-03-10, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

You are both bloody morons if you think politicians in either party care about anything more than lining their pockets and hanging on to power.

not really talking so much about the guys sitting in the offices on capital hill

I'm talking about the entire movement, ideology, party - by whatever name you wish to apply.

the right says - "Yay tax cuts for everyone to spur the economy... the more people have in their pockets the more likley they are to buy with their pent up demand. yay!"

the left says - "Whoa not so fast! tax cuts are fine and dandy, but not for anyone making over $250,000... I mean, someone has to pay for welfare programs and abortions!"

gimpy117 · 12-03-10, 12:53 PM

I agree with torvald, its the republicans who are stuck. But it figures, a bunch of very rich men would love to extend their own tax cuts.

I think the fact that democrats are trying to eliminate this tax for the rich is a nice tip of the hat for the middle class, who feels that even though their tax rates are technically lower, the amount taken out of their paycheck matters much more than the money taken out of a rich persons paycheck.

Sailor Steve · 12-03-10, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

I agree with torvald...

That explains a lot.

Rockin Robbins · 12-03-10, 05:18 PM

I have a great idea! Let's pay the banks off for all the bad loans they made so they no longer have any incentive to adjust the loan payers' interest or balance. We could pay them off so they could screw the public with impunity.......what's that?......we already did?

Never mind.

mookiemookie · 12-03-10, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Im confused by the Democrat mentality that they are entitled to other people's money. I'm astounded that it is a political platform.

Oh you mean kind of like bailing out Wall Street? You mean like that kind of entitled to other's money?

GoldenRivet · 12-03-10, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Oh you mean kind of like bailing out Wall Street? You mean like that kind of entitled to other's money?

which was a disgusting idea that i was opposed to from the start.

Both a R and D president alike put their signatures on that mookie and you know it.

EDIT:

our government has divided us - conquered us - and sold us up the river.

mookiemookie · 12-03-10, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

which was a disgusting idea that i was opposed to from the start.

Both a R and D president alike put their signatures on that mookie and you know it.

Yep. And you're right - it's disgusting no matter who does it. And they both did.

GoldenRivet · 12-03-10, 12:57 PM

i honestly dont see a problem with giving tax cuts that are commensurate with bracket.

hypothetical example (these numbers are just plucked out of the air for sake of argument)

YOUR TAX BRACKET_________YOUR TAX CUT AMT

low income..........................15.0%
low-middle income.................12.5%
middle income.......................10.0%
high-middle income................7.5%
High Income.........................4.5%
"Wealthty"...........................2.0%
you could buy the pope..........0.25%

you could buy the guy
that could buy the pope..........0.10%

why is that such a big no-no?

12-03-10, 12:20 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	and why is it that when the Republicans say "All Americans" the Democrats demonize the wealthy and say "well... maybe not all." i guess their logic is that someone has to pay for the majority of their voters... may as well be the wealthy people. __________________

12-03-10, 12:24 PM	#3
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	And no... Life is NOT fair. for all of my successes there have been failures, and to that i say "Life is not fair. But when someone says "lets extend tax cuts to All Americans" i dont think there should be any reason to exclude certain groups... especially when the group paying the most taxes are in the higher brackets anyhow. Im confused by the Democrat mentality that they are entitled to other people's money. I'm astounded that it is a political platform. Schools, roads, police, fire sure i can understand the public necessities... but all these social programs that encourage laziness? __________________

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gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	I agree with torvald, its the republicans who are stuck. But it figures, a bunch of very rich men would love to extend their own tax cuts. I think the fact that democrats are trying to eliminate this tax for the rich is a nice tip of the hat for the middle class, who feels that even though their tax rates are technically lower, the amount taken out of their paycheck matters much more than the money taken out of a rich persons paycheck. __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

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Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I have a great idea! Let's pay the banks off for all the bad loans they made so they no longer have any incentive to adjust the loan payers' interest or balance. We could pay them off so they could screw the public with impunity.......what's that?......we already did? Never mind. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

12-03-10, 12:57 PM	#12
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	i honestly dont see a problem with giving tax cuts that are commensurate with bracket. hypothetical example (these numbers are just plucked out of the air for sake of argument) YOUR TAX BRACKET_________YOUR TAX CUT AMT low income..........................15.0% low-middle income.................12.5% middle income.......................10.0% high-middle income................7.5% High Income.........................4.5% "Wealthty"...........................2.0% you could buy the pope..........0.25% you could buy the guy that could buy the pope..........0.10% why is that such a big no-no? __________________

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antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	You are both bloody morons if you think politicians in either party care about anything more than lining their pockets and hanging on to power.