Wikileaks hacked ahead of new document release

[Catfish]

Hello,
it is interesting that all people here want to kill Assange, while no one cares about what has been brought to light.

I take it when atrocities to the civilian population done by the SS in 1941 leaked out, it would be perfectly ok with you to kill the publisher ?

The point is not that wikileaks published how the US sees german politicians, the (Ras)Putin clown or Berlusconi (the US are perfectly right in judging, and i would have been able to tell exactly this to the US long before lol), but that the last wars were wars of aggression, and the killing of hundred thousands civilians was considered as necessary and accepted, by "democratic" governments. This is just to show that those crazy conspiracy theories obviously are not really theories.
The point is that everyone with a half pound of brain would have expected this, but now there is proof.

I also think they did not hack all, since the most interesting details about the international banking systems have not been published. This is still due for early 2011.

The internet will be heavily censored in the future, but it may be that - since it is a world-wide web - they will not manage to get it censored entirely - at least as long as companies like Google do not voluntarily support e.g. the chinese government by only letting pass censored chinese government information.


The point that "Assange plays with fire" is imho due to the fact that most of those cold war warriors have not yet accepted that we are indeed living in a new age of information, and responsability. More people are better educated than ever, and they are indeed waking up. Obama knows that, but his own advisors do not.
Governments will not be able to do the most atrocious things undercover anymore, at least without that being brought to light sooner or later.
I think this is a good thing. If you prefer to be belied and blinded, it is your decision. But then do not criticize the german population of 1933 to 1945 of having been "blind".

Greetings,
Catfish

[DarkFish]

Catfish, you couldn't have said it any better

[joea]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Catfish, you couldn't have said it any better

Amen brother!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
it is interesting that all people here want to kill Assange, while no one cares about what has been brought to light.

I take it when atrocities to the civilian population done by the SS in 1941 leaked out, it would be perfectly ok with you to kill the publisher ?

The point is not that wikileaks published how the US sees german politicians, the (Ras)Putin clown or Berlusconi (the US are perfectly right in judging, and i would have been able to tell exactly this to the US long before lol), but that the last wars were wars of aggression, and the killing of hundred thousands civilians was considered as necessary and accepted, by "democratic" governments. This is just to show that those crazy conspiracy theories obviously are not really theories.
The point is that everyone with a half pound of brain would have expected this, but now there is proof.

I also think they did not hack all, since the most interesting details about the international banking systems have not been published. This is still due for early 2011.

The internet will be heavily censored in the future, but it may be that - since it is a world-wide web - they will not manage to get it censored entirely - at least as long as companies like Google do not voluntarily support e.g. the chinese government by only letting pass censored chinese government information.


The point that "Assange plays with fire" is imho due to the fact that most of those cold war warriors have not yet accepted that we are indeed living in a new age of information, and responsability. More people are better educated than ever, and they are indeed waking up. Obama knows that, but his own advisors do not.
Governments will not be able to do the most atrocious things undercover anymore, at least without that being brought to light sooner or later.
I think this is a good thing. If you prefer to be belied and blinded, it is your decision. But then do not criticize the german population of 1933 to 1945 of having been "blind".

Greetings,
Catfish

You're exactly right. The powers that be want to put the focus on Assange, when he's only a sideshow in all of this.

[Blood_splat]

People will still be more interested in reality shows.

[Betonov]

There's a whole media storm here about these leaks.
It says that our prime minister (pahor) was prepared to take one guantanamo prisoner to slovenia for a 20min visit with president Obama. Bringing in another useless expense into a already strained economy for his own little egotrip... the shame is unbearable

Who else saw this coming?

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
it is interesting that all people here want to kill Assange, while no one cares about what has been brought to light.

I take it when atrocities to the civilian population done by the SS in 1941 leaked out, it would be perfectly ok with you to kill the publisher ?

The point is not that wikileaks published how the US sees german politicians, the (Ras)Putin clown or Berlusconi (the US are perfectly right in judging, and i would have been able to tell exactly this to the US long before lol), but that the last wars were wars of aggression, and the killing of hundred thousands civilians was considered as necessary and accepted, by "democratic" governments. This is just to show that those crazy conspiracy theories obviously are not really theories.
The point is that everyone with a half pound of brain would have expected this, but now there is proof.

God damnit. Why is it that many Euros and especially Germans are constantly spewing their bile hatred on the net without checking any facts or providing sources? Hate the US much, yes?

Where do you get "the killing" of your "hundred thousands civilians" from??? Not from wikileak, I tell you. You make that crap up in your head, do you. You MIX $HIT UP. But you don't care, since your only point is "I HATE THE US, I HATE THE US, because I'm suffering from my stuipd guilt and inferiority complex."
You DON'T CARE FOR FACTS, and that you have in common with almost ALL the Anti-American bigots running around in Europe these days.

First, the number is wrong, and second, the number - which is actually in the tens of thousands - is casualties from ALL causes, if anything. Or do you really think the coalition forces in Iraq or Afghanistan are moving from house to house, gunning down / blowing up people for fun, or carpet bomb every city in which they encounter an enemy sniper???
If you want to find SS style, look in your own damn history, but you people constantly try to project it onto everybody else, specifically on those who kicked the SS to hell, or - which is even more disgusting - on those who themselves were murdered by the SS. You people really should take a seat on Dr. Freud's couch once in a while.

And what is this crap I'm constantly reading from people who want to seem "smart" or "aware":

our "democratic" governments

Why the quotation marks? WHY? Are you serious? Is the US NOT a democracy / republic??? Is Germany NOT a democracy / republic???? Me thinks you are just acting like a spoiled child that doesn't always get "his" way, thereby the whole system must be false. Hello! A democracy is not about YOU.
What would YOU think is a democracy? Ah. There is no real one, right? Well, then what is your f* point? Still better off living here than in North Korea, Iran or China, no??
You know, I take offense with people who are constantly putting our democracies in quotation marks. Try coming up with something better? But when you do, please also try to keep the number of deaths under a million or so. Because the last people who also put our "democracy" in those damn quotation marks and who were telling people it's all crap, unfortunately FAILED in that.

And what's it with this "wars of aggression"? Well, I would HOPE there is plenty aggression directed against the AGGRESSOR Al Quaida. What is your PROBLEM with hunting down the Talibs and Al Quaida??
I'll leave Iraq to another chapter, but I can't say I felt particularily saddened by seeing the old bastard get it. And I'd wager a guess that neither did the Kurds and a bunch of other folks. Is it that you are really so sad about it, or is it not rather you looking for SS Stormtroopers again, to feel better yourself??? Quick, there might be some under your bed. Maybe you can make another rant against IKEA then.

but now there is proof.

Yeah. See above. You people don't need any proof either way. Proof would only get in your way. BTW, there is already an idea emerging on the net now - amongst other "aware" progressives or whatever - that Wikileaks might in reality be...




...*drumrolls*...




...A CIA FRONT. Amazing, isn't it? Before the recent leak, all the Anti-American haters and bigots got all worked up about all the evil and dark secrets of the Darth Vader superpower now being leaked and were already timing the minutes for "America's downfall", lol! Then, when the data that became available didn't support any of their bull**** conspiracy theories - and in cases even would seem to support US foreign policy, or showed that much of what the US says in public is also reflected in their internal communications, albeit more frank - to those nuts it didn't mean to check on the validity of their conspiracy bull****. NOOOOOOOO. It must mean the data is false! It's the CIA again! LOL. Just like when they couldn't fathom that the US might have been viciously attacked on 9/11 by sinister and cynical maniacs and indeed be "the good guys". NOOOOOOOO. It must have been their own government!

Give me break.

[DarkFish]

....





You finished ranting? If you have, you may want to reread his post to see what he actually meant.

you may want to reread his post to see what he actually meant.

But that would make the rant nonsense.

[MH]

@heartc
Exellent rant and very to the point.
There are too many peaple that try to be smarter than their grasp of realety or maybe educated above their inteligance.

[Catfish]

Hello heartc,
(would this be Hartzi or Herzi, in german ? )

why do (some) US people say that other people "hate" America, or better the USA when there are critics ? Don't the US criticize others from time to time ? Maybe it is concern, not hate. Personally i am glad that the US exists, with all advantages and faults. You cannot have one without the other, but calling a spade a spade is necessary, both sides.

But maybe you want others to shut up just because of their "guilt" ?
I do not feel guilty, i am not a follower of this bible "seven-generations-guilt" thing, and i do not feel "inferior" -

Official sources speak from 151,000 to 650,000 civilians that have died in Iraq since the beginnings of hostilities, so you are technically right, it maybe is not "hundred thousand s" and we could leave the "s" out, if the truth is not somewhere in the middle.
You are also right that those numbers are not from "Wikileaks". If you do not want to refer to killings of civilians, what would you prefer - collateral damage ?


" ... Why the quotation marks? WHY? Are you serious? Is the US NOT a democracy / republic??? Is Germany NOT a democracy / republic???? Me thinks you are just acting like a spoiled child that doesn't always get "his" way, thereby the whole system must be false. Hello! A democracy is not about YOU. ..."

A friend from the US embassy recently told me the US would be no democracy but a constitutional republic ahem lol. But i left out the quotation marks this time. E.g. Germany is not less of a democracy year by year even if it seems so, there are just more reports uncovered every year which show that politicians have parted company with the people. Those reports about a democracy or any government can only be read and judged if there is a medium to publish it. The thing is that with all those weapons, industry and oil/gas lobbyists you cannot clearly divide between politics and industry in Germany anymore, and this gives some reason for distrust - but it is a healthy and democratic distrust.


" ... What would YOU think is a democracy? Ah. There is no real one, right? Well, then what is your f* point? Still better off living here than in North Korea, Iran or China, no??
You know, I take offense with people who are constantly putting our democracies in quotation marks. Try coming up with something better? But when you do, please also try to keep the number of deaths under a million or so. Because the last people who also put our "democracy" in those damn quotation marks and who were telling people it's all crap, unfortunately FAILED in that. ..."

Much better living here i believe, but if governments begin to use means of dictatorships like censorship and cover-ups under the camouflage of security and caring for their people to defend them, but at the same time hide away their methods or justify them by others being the evil, i always have to think of Orwell's "1984". Maybe i exaggerate, point taken.


" ... And what's it with this "wars of aggression"? Well, I would HOPE there is plenty aggression directed against the AGGRESSOR Al Quaida. What is your PROBLEM with hunting down the Talibs and Al Quaida??
I'll leave Iraq to another chapter, but I can't say I felt particularily saddened by seeing the old bastard get it. And I'd wager a guess that neither did the Kurds and a bunch of other folks. Is it that you are really so sad about it, or is it not rather you looking for SS Stormtroopers again, to feel better yourself??? Quick, there might be some under your bed. Maybe you can make another rant against IKEA then. ..."

I have no problem with AlQuaida being hunted, but to invade a whole country because terrorists hide there ? Or another country that had weapons of mass destruction, with a dictator that blew all fuses ? Why not invade North Korea then ? No oil and China ...
If the US had said we're in for the oil and to kick out Saddam hell alright, but why those euphemisms ? I think this has damaged the trust of the people in their government, worldwide (well, Nato-wide).

I did not compare the US troops with the SS, what i said and meant is that there is a fatal similarity in covering up atrocities or the killing of civilians (which are not comparable to the deeds of the SS, but to the covering up of those incidents). This is what does not fit into a democracy, and that this "wikileaks" was able to happen at all is one of the reasons we can call it just that.

Greetings,
Catfish

[joea]

Originally Posted by Solace

Who else saw this coming?

Exellent rant and very to the point.

The only point was that it made very little sense at all, but that is to be expected from rants.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The only point was that it made very little sense at all, but that is to be expected from rants.

Consider this#
If someone makes no sense to you it dosent mean he makes no sense at all.