Wikileaks hacked ahead of new document release

[antikristuseke]

4chan is best described as organized anarchy, which is a contradiction in terms in and of itself.

[Platapus]

Well, since Wikileaks does not care about who they hurt or the harms they cause, why should I care what happens to their server.

As far as I am concerned, the entire wikileak server can catch fire.

Assange is a child playing a dangerous game.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Well, since Wikileaks does not care about who they hurt or the harms they cause, why should I care what happens to their server.

As far as I am concerned, the entire wikileak server can catch fire.

Assange is a child playing a dangerous game.

Don't shoot the messenger. How's the government's favorite phrase go? "If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear." I find it funny when it gets turned back around on them.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Skybird

On Turkey:

* Viewed through the eyes of the US diplomats, entire states -- Kenya for example -- appear as mires of corruption. If one were to believe the gloomy reports from the embassy in Ankara, Turkey is on a slippery slope to volatile Islamism, spurred on by the narrow-minded government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan

All quoted by various articles of International Der Spiegel.

It will become difficult for Washington to promote Turkey's EU access anymore as a win for stability, progress and democracy, if it now is shown that in reality they judge it to fall back into the rule of Islamic fundamentalism.

It seems, by the quick summary of the first articles giving general overviews, that a whole lot of cables from the ME countries shows how stunningly weak US position there is, that the US gets instrumentalised by local power factions who abuse its naivety and lacking insight, and that the internal assessment of conditions in these countries is far more negative then publicly claimed by the US government. Which let's US foreign policies appear even more self-contradicting and lacking strategic orientation than even I have alwys claimed they are.

If only the EU had a pair of @@ not only to stop Turkey for even thinking about EU membership but also tell the US to mind their business.
Don't they have 2 wars to wage, and maybe a third one with Iran ?
Maybe we should start by tearing down NATO and US presence in europe. The cold war is no more, we don't need americans medling in european affairs.

As for Italy, all I can say is have a good laugh, criminals always come together

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Don't shoot the messenger. How's the government's favorite phrase go? "If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear." I find it funny when it gets turned back around on them.

When the messenger is the person leaking this information, yes we should shoot the messenger. Please don't try to make Assange into an innocent victim or worse some sort of hero. He is neither.

He has chosen to form his organization into a hostile foreign intelligence service (hostile to not just the USA) and his organization will be acted upon as such.

That's what I meant by Assange being a child playing a dangerous game. Not only does he not know the rules, he does not even know the players.

[the_tyrant]

it was done by the chinese honkers
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=943852724
apparently, it was because wikileaks claims that the honkers (or Chinese government) attacked google

[Skybird]

The leaking is a two-sided sword. On some issues, it can help to enforce greater honesty and congruence between claims made, and action. On other issues it can cause embarassment over all to human flaws and minor issues, complicating international intercommunication nfor reasons not justifyng them.

However, former competently done investigative journalism did thinks like these leakings as well, think of Watergate and the consequences. The difference now is that the quantity is massively beyond the level known from revealing journalism of thnat era. But investigative, solid journalism is in decline. The press as an independant monitor and guardian of democratic poltical proceedings, is in decline. Inmternet services seem to have boosted options on information, and the variety of these. But if you look carefully, you see that quality of internet news is mostly very, very bad, fact checking is being replaced by chain-copying of claims, and the number of indepednantly compared and verified sources has not grown by has been redcued in numbers. Internet information in many fields has become bigger in numbers, and poorer in quality, more shallow, and serving manipulative interests whose validity of claims is not beeing checked.

Something like wikileaks seems to serve in the function of a radical counter-reaction to this decline of solid information culture of now dying journalism quality standards.

That the victim of the latest coup, the US, once again cries heaven is falling liek the last time, is the to be expected reaction, and like the last two times for the most is just a propaganda claim using an overdose of pathetic rethoric in order to raise support for it'S condemnation of the "coup".

More important is if these latest lessons, like the Stuxnet attack on the centrifuges in Iran, will teach America something on its principal vulnerability in the computer-, IT- and cyberfield. And that means: will it teach European nations something as well - or not. Higher complexity almost always goes hand in hand with greater fragility and lower robustness. Something that high tech nations seem to constantly ignore, or underestimate. And no, more censorship and dictatorship is not the answer.

[Oberon]

Thomas Jefferson said it best I think.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Thomas Jefferson said it best I think.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "

When you have both its Communism...

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

When the messenger is the person leaking this information, yes we should shoot the messenger. Please don't try to make Assange into an innocent victim or worse some sort of hero. He is neither.

He has chosen to form his organization into a hostile foreign intelligence service (hostile to not just the USA) and his organization will be acted upon as such.

That's what I meant by Assange being a child playing a dangerous game. Not only does he not know the rules, he does not even know the players.

This guy gets his rocks off by pissing in the face of the United States, and feels he's so god damn self righteous no matter how many people he ends up getting killed. The worst part is, he can't see past his own ego. That much is patently obvious. If it were up to me, he'd be having a very nasty "accident", though I'd rather him disappear altogether like Jimmy Hoffa.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This guy gets his rocks off by pissing in the face of the United States, and feels he's so god damn self righteous no matter how many people he ends up getting killed. The worst part is, he can't see past his own ego. That much is patently obvious. If it were up to me, he'd be having a very nasty "accident", though I'd rather him disappear altogether like Jimmy Hoffa.

agreed
Doesn't the US have laws limiting the distributing of secret files?
Why isn't everybody working with wikileaks arrested yet?

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

agreed
Doesn't the US have laws limiting the distributing of secret files?
Why isn't everybody working with wikileaks arrested yet?

From what I've read in an article today, security from the inside of the system is pretty weak, and there are 850.000 people who have access to classified information, so I guess that could take a while to find every leak.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

agreed
Doesn't the US have laws limiting the distributing of secret files?
Why isn't everybody working with wikileaks arrested yet?

They did arrest that one army guy for what he did a few months ago.

They are based in Sweden so its probably complected. But I heard that some in the US Government are talking about having Wikileaks declared a terrorist organization under US law.

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

From what I've read in an article today, security from the inside of the system is pretty weak, and there are 850.000 people who have access to classified information, so I guess that could take a while to find every leak.

In some countries those 850,000 people would all be shot if something like this happened...

...just saying...

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

In some countries those 850,000 people would all be shot if something like this happened...
...just saying...

Its lucky then that you happen to live in a democracy with a free press.
Ah those pesky bastard reporters, if only they could be muzzled and sent of to guantanamo bay if they ever critised their government. Lets call all of them terrorists since they don't agree with our [US governments] view.
...just saying....

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Its lucky then that you happen to live in a democracy with a free press.
Ah those pesky bastard reporters, if only they could be muzzled and sent of to guantanamo bay if they ever critised their government. Lets call all of them terrorists since they don't agree with our [US governments] view.
...just saying....

Aye. The public has a right to know what the government does. If the government can secretly do whatever they like, without caring about what the public thinks, without caring what the public voted for, then what's the difference from a dictatorship?