Time to regulate Bible and samurai sword ownership

The early church had the actual letters and almost first hand teaching. Like anything with man it took many roads.

Yeah, letters to help each other out is all, bit like a good forum I know.

Its difficult to expect the same fruits of the early church when we value a book they didnt have more than the Holy Spirit they did have. Bill Johnson.

Getting detracted by which bible to use is law, the very thing Jesus came to Free us from. I suppose the point I see above all, is that Freedom in the UK is being eroded and replace with ever incleasing amounts of law which the law makers break the same as every one else, honour means nothin.

The problem for people is one of control, Church uses the Bible to control us by bringing us under law, continually explaining what this scripture means or what that verse is trying to say. They change verses in Bibles to suite the requirements they expect from the sheep, us, heh. Instead of letting people discover by revalation what life and truth is.

Freedom is Spirit in the heart of everyone, it is under attack in the Freeworld like never before. Leaders lie and deceive their peoples to get them into wars they don't need, but we do not see the deception because we are blind to it, what we see is the law, this is our captivity being engineered. God gave Moses 10 laws to live by, by the time Jesus arrived the pharasees had increased the laws to 650 and people lived under the thumb of leaders and their laws.

sorry about this going on folks, but Freedom is my biggest passion, by far.

sid

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

Yeah, letters to help each other out is all, bit like a good forum I know.



Getting detracted by which bible to use is law, the very thing Jesus came to Free us from. I suppose the point I see above all, is that Freedom in the UK is being eroded and replace with ever incleasing amounts of law which the law makers break the same as every one else, honour means nothin.

The problem for people is one of control, Church uses the Bible to control us by bringing us under law, continually explaining what this scripture means or what that verse is trying to say. They change verses in Bibles to suite the requirements they expect from the sheep, us, heh. Instead of letting people discover by revalation what life and truth is.

Freedom is Spirit in the heart of everyone, it is under attack in the Freeworld like never before. Leaders lie and deceive their peoples to get them into wars they don't need, but we do not see the deception because we are blind to it, what we see is the law, this is our captivity being engineered. God gave Moses 10 laws to live by, by the time Jesus arrived the pharasees had increased the laws to 650 and people lived under the thumb of leaders and their laws.

sorry about this going on folks, but Freedom is my biggest passion, by far.

sid

Well, biblcally speaking, believers in Christ don't live under Mosaic biblical law. There's a difference between God's moral law and Jewish Mosaic codes. No doubt religious codes dictated most secular law, don't kill, steal, ect.

Remember, Jewish law was for the Jews only. Certainly every belief system makes up it's own so called codes of conduct for sin. We don't call it breaking the law today, we call it partaking of sin...

Christ freed us from the law of sin and replaced it with grace and love. You're correct, man has used many codes to define what is sin. Smart people that think for themselves test things with an open mind, not just believe what someone tells them is right or wrong.

There were lot's of problems with early Jewish and Gentile Christians. Many Jewish christians still followed many customs and laws from the past, the Gentiles didn't. When they came together they argued over what was right. Paul told them they both were right and just to get along and respect each others beliefs.

And why the hell do we need to "believe"? Why is it any issue to the world that "we" don't have "faith and belief"?

because to design and make a simple thing like a light bulb takes both

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

because to design and make a simple thing like a light bulb takes both

This makes sense how?

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

This makes sense how?

I think he means you have to believe your invention is going to work, because if you don't you're not gonna work on it and it will never be invented.

Still, this is a totally different kind of "belief" so it doesn't compare.

Still, this is a totally different kind of "belief" so it doesn't compare.

Faith and belief go hand in hand and are the same in everyone

A lot of leaders in Church today have trouble in believing, how can that be.
Because the fruits of belief are not there. What are the fruits of believing, light bulbs, mad people flying flimsey aircraft across the Atlantic, the idea of walking on the moon. These events are the fruits of Faith and belief in action, God has given every one of us a portion of this Faith, it's in the bible some where, you'll have to look it up yourself, lol.

The unbeliever or even the athiest believes in God more than he realizes, probable more than most middle class church leaders do today. When Jesus was teaching the people about faith and belief, the example that God gave the people was not a Church leader or elder, but a centurion soldier, a man who understood and practiced faith and belief every day, you don't get more radical than that. The church today is about control and law, the very things that Jesus came to free us from. Every religion is just that, religion nothing more. faith and belief are about people

sid: creator of fine slots

[VipertheSniper]

LOL sid

going by your logic, if I didn't "believe" in the laws of physics I'd be able to overcome them. I guess I could have superpowers...

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

Faith and belief go hand in hand and are the same in everyone

A lot of leaders in Church today have trouble in believing, how can that be.
Because the fruits of belief are not there. What are the fruits of believing, light bulbs, mad people flying flimsey aircraft across the Atlantic, the idea of walking on the moon. These events are the fruits of Faith and belief in action, God has given every one of us a portion of this Faith, it's in the bible some where, you'll have to look it up yourself, lol.

The unbeliever or even the athiest believes in God more than he realizes, probable more than most middle class church leaders do today. When Jesus was teaching the people about faith and belief, the example that God gave the people was not a Church leader or elder, but a centurion soldier, a man who understood and practiced faith and belief every day, you don't get more radical than that. The church today is about control and law, the very things that Jesus came to free us from. Every religion is just that, religion nothing more. faith and belief are about people

sid: creator of fine slots

Not gonna look the verse up, but doe's state God has given each man a measure of faith. I guess some he gave very little, so they ended up using logic, so who's faults that.

Faith has much to do with culture, tradition fear, guilt and the way we're raised as it doe's anything. Maybe faith was pushed so much in biblical times due to the lack of science. You have to remember many scientist back then were murdered by the church for using logic over faith.

Sometimes I think faith is confused with fear as most religions see God as the pagans did, standing over us with a big club ready to smash us at will, then torture us forever when we die. Most religions, including Christianity believe the mass of humanity will end up being tortured for enternity.....just for being born.


Many atheist prefer to say " I just don't know." Even though I still find enough faith to say God is possible often my doubtful heart says the same.
Bill Mayer often confuses me, he'll state that theere is no God, but when he gets serious he'll comment..."I just don't know."

It appears to me your talking about man having faith in himself, not God..?