Anybody can interpret dream? and what did you dream today?

[GoldenRivet]

I have had dreams where dream interpretation made a lot of sense. Dreams filled with symbology of successes and failures.

What really gets me is "prophetic" dreams. I don't have them with great frequency, but these dreams are an exact prediction of future events. Of course you don't immediately know that until some weeks or months later when you are experiencing verbatim the very thing you dreamt of.

Those moments when you think "whoa... I dreamed this last week"

[Skybird]

Too often I have seen, heared of, read about people doing a random interpretation of their dream, which of course was not "objective", but made them believe it were, and so they ran into the trap of self-fulfilling prophecies.

And the "boah, I dreamed about this last week", or deja vu experince, it has been shown that it is possible - and that it actually happens - that it is a time-discrepancy in the synchronisation between both brain halves. This can be the case both towards simple visual stimuli, and longer, more complex cognitive representations on your mind. Both eyes'S retina for examplehave different optical nerve channels to the two sides of the brain, the part of the retina that is located towards the skull'S outside is linked to the bain-half on that side, while the inner helf of the retina is linked to the brain half on the other side of the skull. If visual stimuli is presented to the eye in a way that both eyes transfer the optical data to just one side of the brain, and only with a delay to the oder side as well, it can happen that you have a situation where the onje side of the brain for a moment does not know what the other side is doing and processing. WShen you relaise that you see something and attrubute your meaning and labels to what yoiu have seen, actually parts of the brain already have had that inpout s short while before - and you end up in a situation where your brain fools itself by letting you think: what I have seen now, I have dreamed of short time before.

Deja vu experience can be explained in other ways, too, but this is one of the most simple-structured explanations.

I do not say that people cannot have a sixth sense, prophetic visions, etc, actually I am convinced, for certain reasons, that these things exist. I just think that it is much, much rarer than it is often said. I think these things are more prominent amongst children, and the skill, gift, habit or whatever you think it is then gets lost or covered by adult's cognitive patterns. It is nothing superstious or supernatural, becasue if it exciosts, it is part of reality, and thus it cannot be supoernatural, but only can be linked to a part of reality that so far we have not understood or recognised correctly.

If you want to interpret symbols and examine how they fit into your life and have a meaning for you, do it in a more standardised way than just random dream symbols: use a system like Tarot cards, for example. Actually, in a context of councelling in life and spiritual questions, it is a method that I even would recommend. But possible that I use Tarot cards differently and less mechnaically/schematically than it is being described in most Tarot books. I used to combine again Gestalt work, and the way Rachel Pollack approached Tarot in her superb books. If you want to read and learn about Tarot cards, Rachel Pollack is the name to watch out for.

On a curious side note, years after I stumbled over these books by Pollack, I personally met and held a seminary with the translator of her first two books into German, at university. He was assistant to the prof who supervised my diploma work and one of my practice terms.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Too often I have seen, heared of, read about people doing a random interpretation of their dream, which of course was not "objective", but made them believe it were, and so they ran into the trap of self-fulfilling prophecies.

There is no such thing as self fulfilled prophecies in my opinion

Prophetic dreams are prophetic dreams and they are NOT self fulfilled prophecies, they may not even be dream. They contain too many correct [predicted] FACTS to be a coincidence and too many out of self control [predicted] outcomes to be a self fulfilled prophecies as the prophecies cannot and really CANNOT be fulfilled by SELF and SELF only and most of the time not even in the slightest by SELF in any portion AT ALL. Believing it or not doesn't change the outcome and I have doubts whether they are changeable. People who say about self fulfilling prophecies imo probably never have had a prophetic dream in their life imo(no offense).

Of course very few dreams are prophetic in nature . . . .and knowing which one is prophetic and which are not takes wisdom and experience(insight) lacking either could make knowing which is which prove to be hard but my rule is prophetic is meant to be known as prophetic so they will hit like a ton of brick as to doubtful dream they can be safely discarded. As a religious I take prophetic dreams to be from God and not without reason too as with I believe most any other Christians. I have had prophetic dreams quite a number of time to be bold enough to come to the conclusion that nothing surprises God when it comes to event, I wouldn't call it predetermined by God but well the end is already known to God even before the beginning had had begun. It's our incapacity to be unaware of future events that make them seemingly uncertain. It's an illusion though as the future is CERTAIN(and to come to think about it made me really doubt about the existence of parallel dimension at all as nothing deviates). It's my conviction mainly stemming from past experience that God knows every fraction of second of my life before even I was born as He does every single born and soon to be born person. If not God is not worthy to be God. But many skeptics about God will use this to argue about things that they cannot comprehend but assumed their argument was somehow logical while the issue cannot be comprehended by ordinary people or blame God for everything that went wrong generally and somehow expected God to babysit everything because He can and because He's supposed to be good as not to allow bad things to happen especially to good people.

One thing for certain God hid Himself from the majority mankind and somehow appreciate the concept of faith when relating to Him because it is the only way for people to be made righteous so even those who have come to know God still need faith to relate to God from time to time as nobody knows God like knowing another person(because no one over rules God so obedience based on perfect knowledge would not make one to stand corrected and thus unable to receive grace even while grace is needed like for us). Only so few people(but then again not that few) that have had a personal experience with God and God IS ALWAYS personal when dealing with every person but that should not be a problem because FAITH is still what made people stand corrected, the more faith the more one stands corrected and the more he stands corrected the more grace he will see.

The correct attitude is important for one to experience God and most importantly to see [some] of the scriptures to come alive in his life time and to be able to relate to those verses when it is read saying inside I know that for a fact(even when it's not everybody's fact) and to come to know the character of God personally no matter how little and to come to know why God is really worthy of worship and praises. In the end it's not about religion but more about one faith in God. Religion will save no one and too many people lost God and replace Him with the worship of religion or change spirituality which is the attitude towards God which is constant prayers as we all are in constant connection with God, with mere physical rituals. And if God is really one and universal wouldn't that make God the God of every single other person irregardless of one's concept of belief of God or lack of it and irregardless one's state of spirituality or lack of it. And if God is really the God of everyone wouldn't that make all of us connected.....more intimately than most of us realize because we came from the same source and ultimately will end up in the same place?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Castout

Prophetic dreams are prophetic dreams and they are NOT self fulfilled prophecies, they may not even be dream. They contain too many correct [predicted] FACTS to be a coincidence and too many out of self control [predicted] outcomes to be a self fulfilled prophecies as the prophecies cannot and really CANNOT be fulfilled by SELF and SELF only and most of the time not even in the slightest by SELF in any portion AT ALL. Believing it or not doesn't change the outcome and I have doubts whether they are changeable. People who say about self fulfilling prophecies imo probably never have had a prophetic dream in their life imo(no offense).

Of course very few dreams are prophetic in nature . . . .and knowing which one is prophetic and which are not takes wisdom and experience(insight) lacking either could make knowing which is which prove to be hard but my rule is prophetic is meant to be known as prophetic so they will hit like a ton of brick as to doubtful dream they can be safely discarded. As a religious I take prophetic dreams to be from God and not without reason too as with I believe most any other Christians. I have had prophetic dreams quite a number of time to be bold enough to come to the conclusion that nothing surprises God when it comes to event, I wouldn't call it predetermined by God but well the end is already known to God even before the beginning had had begun. It's our incapacity to be unaware of future events that make them seemingly uncertain. It's an illusion though as the future is CERTAIN(and to come to think about it made me really doubt about the existence of parallel dimension at all as nothing deviates). It's my conviction mainly stemming from past experience that God knows every fraction of second of my life before even I was born as He does every single born and soon to be born person. If not God is not worthy to be God. But many skeptics about God will use this to argue about things that they cannot comprehend but assumed their argument was somehow logical while the issue cannot be comprehended by ordinary people or blame God for everything that went wrong generally and somehow expected God to babysit everything because He can and because He's supposed to be good as not to allow bad things to happen especially to good people.

One thing for certain God hid Himself from the majority mankind and somehow appreciate the concept of faith when relating to Him because it is the only way for people to be made righteous so even those who have come to know God still need faith to relate to God from time to time as nobody knows God like knowing another person(because no one over rules God so obedience based on perfect knowledge would not make one to stand corrected and thus unable to receive grace even while grace is needed like for us). Only so few people(but then again not that few) that have had a personal experience with God and God IS ALWAYS personal when dealing with every person but that should not be a problem because FAITH is still what made people stand corrected, the more faith the more one stands corrected and the more he stands corrected the more grace he will see.

The correct attitude is important for one to experience God and most importantly to see [some] of the scriptures to come alive in his life time and to be able to relate to those verses when it is read saying inside I know that for a fact(even when it's not everybody's fact) and to come to know the character of God personally no matter how little and to come to know why God is really worthy of worship and praises. In the end it's not about religion but more about one faith in God. Religion will save no one and too many people lost God and replace Him with the worship of religion or change spirituality which is the attitude towards God which is constant prayers as we all are in constant connection with God, with mere physical rituals. And if God is really one and universal wouldn't that make God the God of every single other person irregardless of one's concept of belief of God or lack of it and irregardless one's state of spirituality or lack of it. And if God is really the God of everyone wouldn't that make all of us connected.....more intimately than most of us realize because we came from the same source and ultimately will end up in the same place?

Belief. Religion. Missionary lectures. Well.

Okay - you asked for it:

I love the arrogance of religious rightousness. One may not have a way to counter an opposing argument by somebody, one may not have an argument based on reason or evidence oneself - but one can always dismiss the other by simply saying "I cannot prove you wrong nor do I care for what you said and gave in backing information, because I believe in God/witchcraft/pink flying elephants, and thus I simply believe different." I referred to cognitive sciences, and neuro science, talked of brain and dreamwork. You reply with God and how one must believe religion. Lovely.

This is something from a German theologican who was thrown into prison and later murdered by the Nazis, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I have quoted it often before in recent years, but it seems the opportunities where it fits never become rare:

Stupidity is a more dangerous foe of the good than evil is. It is possible to protest against evil, to expose oneself, and at times it can be prevented by force. Evil always carries in itself the germ of a substitute for it, in that it leaves behind at least a feeling of uneasiness in men. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor force can accomplish anythin here; reasons are of no avail; facts that contradict one's own prejudices simply do not need to be believed -- in such cases the stupid person even becomes critical -- and if they are unavoidable, they can simply be shoved aside as insignificant, isolated cases.

In this the stupid person, in contrast to an evil one, is completely satisfied with himself. Indeed he even becomes dangerous in that he is easily inclined to assume the offensive. Thus more care must be shown in dealing with a stupid person than with an evil one. We shall never again seek to convince a stupid person with reasons; it is senseless and dangerous. In order to know how to deal with stupidity we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is not essentially an intellectual defect but a human one. There are intellectually quite able men who are stupid, and intellectually very dull men who are anything but stupid. In certain specific situations we make this discovery to our astonishment. In this connection one has less the impression that stupidity is an inborn defect than that under certain circumstances men are made stupid, or perhaps let themselves be made stupid.

We observe, moreover, that men who live secluded and alone show this defect less often than men and groups of men who are inclined or fated to sociability. Thus stupidity seems to be less a psychological problem than a sociological one. It is a particular form of the effect of historical circumstances on man, a psychological phenomenon that accompanies specific external relationships. On closer view it is seen that every strong outward development of power, whether of a political or of a religious nature, smites a large portion of mankind with stupidity. Yes, this has precisely the appearance of a sociological-psychological law. The power of one man needs the stupidity of another. In this it does not turn out that specific -- and thus perhaps intellectual -- human concerns suddenly are spoiled or go awry, but that under the overpowering impression of the development of power, man is robbed of his inner independence, and theat he now -- more or less unconsciously -- renounces any attempt to find his own relation to the situation that has developed.

The fact that a stupid person is often stubborn should not deceive anyone into thinking that he is independent. In conversation with him it is felt that you are not dealing with the person himself, but with cliches, slogans, etc., that have gained dominance over him. He is under a spell, he is blinded, he is misused, mishandled in his own being. Thus having become a will-less instrument the stupid person becomes capable of all evil, and at the same time incapable of recognizing it as evil. Here lies the danger of the diabolical abuse. In this way men can be destroyed forever.

Why can't people leave their religion where it belongs: in private. By not doing so they make people like me feeling to just have wasted our good will and time.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Belief. Religion. Missionary lectures. Well.

Okay - you asked for it:

I love the arrogance of religious rightousness. One may not have a way to counter an opposing argument by somebody, one may not have an argument based on reason or evidence oneself - but one can always dismiss the other by simply saying "I cannot prove you wrong nor do I care for what you said and gave in backing information, because I believe in God/witchcraft/pink flying elephants, and thus I simply believe different." I referred to cognitive sciences, and neuro science, talked of brain and dreamwork. You reply with God and how one must believe religion. Lovely.

This is something from a German theologican who was thrown into prison and later murdered by the Nazis, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I have quoted it often before in recent years, but it seems the opportunities where it fits never become rare:



Why can't people leave their religion where it belongs: in private. By not doing so they make people like me feeling to just have wasted our good will and time.

Well for one I didn't consider anyone to have to believe in what I'm saying nor do I make the claim to be more righteous than anyone. Sure I can keep it private but I'm compelled to give my testimony in the hope of able to help anybody out there with hope. But more often than not I'm aware that many people would feel threatened with these kind of testimonies and reacted negatively or even in some cases violently because they consider their belief was under threat. I know I can't control how people would react but that didn't deter me from telling my testimonies and insight in the hope to reach those who would read, think and hopefully gain hope.

It was never my intention to tell other people they are wrong while I'm the most right because I'm not God who knows everything perfectly so I wouldn't be able to judge another person belief. I only meant to offer insight. That of which most people just don't or haven't realized yet. And it's not a belief it ceases to be a belief for me a long time ago when I was a kid, well it's a belief to you but the truth for me.

Edit: I'm sorry if it angered you but never in my intention that I was shouting or implying that anyone's belief is wrong.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Castout

Well for one I didn't consider anyone to have to believe in what I'm saying nor do I make the claim to be more righteous than anyone. Sure I can keep it private but I'm compelled to give my testimony in the hope of able to help anybody out there with hope. But more often than not I'm aware that many people would feel threatened with these kind of testimonies and reacted negatively or even in some cases violently because they consider their belief was under threat. I know I can't control how people would react but that didn't deter me from telling my testimonies and insight in the hope to reach those who would read, think and hopefully gain hope.

It was never my intention to tell other people they are wrong while I'm the most right because I'm not God who knows everything perfectly so I wouldn't be able to judge another person belief. I only meant to offer insight. That of which most people just don't or haven't realized yet. And it's not a belief it ceases to be a belief for me a long time ago when I was a kid, well it's a belief to you but the truth for me.

Edit: I'm sorry if it angered you but never in my intention that I was shouting or implying that anyone's belief is wrong.

Your self-rightousness shows in that with the greatest naturalness you think and claim people being nerved by your missionary testimony feel, in your words, "threatend", where the simple truth is that they are simply be annoyed by missionary tone and getting fed religious hear-say in return when arguing with reason and reference to science themselves on an issue that has little to do with magic and deities.

Your rightousness also shows in that at one point you admit you are not God and thus do not know it perfectly as he does, nevertheless at another point you admit that you feel compelled to give testionay of your belied - although an uncomfortable implication of what you said is that you cannot be certain of your belief. Why then be so eager to bring it amongst the people?

I dispise religious missionising, no matter whether it is directly or indirectly or is transported by implications of statements, always, no matter what ideology. Like oyu and many others do not like to be told at every opportunity how silly your b elief is and how reasonable an atheistic attitude is or how great xyz-ism is. You take it once, and mabye you take it twice, but then you would have enough of getting it delivered - and friendliness can be a weapon here. Psycho-sects lure their victims by friendliness, and ripping them off their self-responsibility by not leaviong them alone one momnent and not lettin g them do anything themselves, but doing it for them, so that the victim, when it protests, gets asked "We only mean it well, we treat you helpful and friendly, and this is how you give back to us?" It is the classical double-bind situation, meant to undermine defence, and when intentionally used it is the most underhanded a tactical tool of abusive communication. And when a person tells me/you, after you critised his belief, that he forgives you and nevertheless his god loves you still, a divine embrace you cannot escape and that you do not get asked about, then this again is a mixture of double-bind tactis, and arrogance.

Spirituality is about learning to know oneself, and about modesty. And it is best dealt with like you should deal with wild animals: do not try to touch them, do not try to make them approach you, do not lure them. Only stroke them with your hand when they come to you all by themselves and seek your nearness all by themselves. Anything else is - aggression. What you say you think god is or is not, and what you feel like when doing or not doijung soemthing, is not interesting for anyone. Actually what you decide to do and carry out, and what you decide not to do, defines what you are and what your motivation is worth. But even then, the deed still speaks louder than your words.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Why so eager to have yourself placed in a box on account of one color test?

Originally Posted by Skybird

Your rightousness shows in that with the greatest naturalness you think people being nerved by your missionary testimony feel, in your words, "threatend", where the simple truth is that they are simply be annoyed by missionary tone and getting fed religious hear-say in return when arguing with reason and reference to science themselves on an issue that has little to do with magic and deities.

Your rightousness alöso shows in that at one point you admit you are not God and thus do not know it perfectly as he does, nevertheless at another point you admit that you feel compelled to give testionay of your belied - although an implication of what you said is that you cannot be certain of your belief. Why then be so eager to bring it amongst the people?

I dispise religious missionising, always, no matter what ideology. Spirituality is about knowing oneself, and modesty. And it is best dealt with like you should deal with wild animals: do not try to touch them, do not try to make them approach you, do not lure them. Only stroke them with your hand when they come to you all by themselves and seek your nearness all by themselves. Anything else is - aggression. What you say you think god is or is not, and what you feel like when doing or not doijung soemthing, is not interesting for anyone. Actually what you decide to do and carry out, and what you decide not to do, defines what you are and what your motivation is worth. But even then, the deed still speaks louder than your words.

As to the word threatened that's how I perceive people's rude reaction. And I wasn't specifically talking about you Skybird but more like to so many fanatic, religious hating atheist out there.

Yes I do not know everything or even something close to enough but I do know something. Something which I treasure.

If it isn't interesting to you then don't bother to replying or even reading it in the first place. I don't know about you but Martin Luther King Junior was shot for his words! and JFK was killed for his ideals. The current Noble prize winner won because of what he wrote and jailed because of the same writing as well. Not saying that action doesn't define a person but . . . Anyway I'm not looking for argument nor to pun anyone. Don't take it personally. The postings weren't meant for you specifically Skybird. I'd be happier if subsim had a spoiler tag.

[Rockstar]

I am what you would probably call a religous zealot so be gentle with me . I think what I is being promoted here in ones testimony is yoking the supernatural, divination and necromancy with Adonai. Something I don't believe appropriate.

Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of the ov, necromancy
Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of yidde'oni, familiar spirits.
Deuteronomy18:10 Not to practice soothsaying

Much of what is warned against can be traced to Babylonian cult practices. That includes looking to the stars for answers.

Sorry if I sound hypocritical I don't mean too. I like to a certain degree some of what Skybird said.

[Platapus]

I took that colour "test" and I tried very hard to take it seriously.

But the results were bogus.

At best they were ambiguous and could apply to anyone
At worst they were actually the direct opposite of my life
On the average they were not applicable.

I can't believe that a free five-minute two-question psychological test found on the Internets Tubes could be so wrong.

But it was amusing to take.

[nikimcbee]

you will have 7 years of feast
and 7 years of famine,
then you will have 7 more years...

[Castout]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

you will have 7 years of feast
and 7 years of famine,
then you will have 7 more years...

So you're going off to Egypt then . . . . not actually the perfect time you missed many hundreds of years LOL.

Funny one.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Castout

So you're going off to Egypt then . . . . not actually the perfect time you missed many hundreds of years LOL.

Funny one.

...bill's in the mail.

[Armistead]

I always dream of tornadoes, wierd ones. Usually they'll be several. Once I dreamed one was inside my office warehouse chasing me. It came into my office and spun me around. I dream about them every week. Stange I often see them in homes I grew up as a kid. Usual stuff, trying to get into a hiding spot with my family, but they always get us.

Never been scared of them and have been in at least 4 that I saw them. My daughters teacher was killed in one in Stoneville NC tornado and several have been around the NC area.

When I had my horsefarm years ago one came and tore all my outbuildings, killed about 5 cows and took out the barn roof I was in why I dove in a empty horse stall. I even got on the local news.

I ain't got a basement, but because of these dreams I ordered and installed a storm cabinet in the garage,,,not that you could ever get in it with all my wifes crap in it now.

[kiwi_2005]

I hardly dream well I probably dream more than I think but never remeber them. The last dream I remeber clear as daylight. I was standing in this valley where not far ahead of me I could see a wolf running towards me at first I thought nothing of it, to the right of me were some people shooting at this wolf the wolf was running like it was dodging its bullet and kept coming straight for me, as it got within 50yrds or so I started shooting at it as well with a handgun and as it got real close I manage to shoot it dead. The wolf was lying there a few feet from me dead then I woke up. The dream bothered me a bit the reasons there is no wolves in my country nor do I own a handgun so what was that all about?. I looked it up on the net and found out that dreaming of a wolf running towards you means if the wolf reaches you and attacks you your going to have financial hardship, if you kill the wolf before it reaches you, your going to have financial success

Then I decided to do my own interpretation of my dream:

That night before the dream I was playing Battlefield and entered maps where a handgun was only allowed so I spent a good hour or so shooting with a hand gun. I have plenty of desktop pictures of wolfs - wolfs under a full moon wolfs in the background with a uboat running on the surface etc., So i'm always looking at them. So there's the reason for the handgun and the wolf. The people to my right shooting were probably my mind adding them from the Battlefield game as we all ran around with handguns.

I like to think the killing a wolf means success but till the day I dream of the winning lotto numbers I ain't taking dreams seriously

[Castout]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

I hardly dream well I probably dream more than I think but never remeber them. The last dream I remeber clear as daylight. I was standing in this valley where not far ahead of me I could see a wolf running towards me at first I thought nothing of it, to the right of me were some people shooting at this wolf the wolf was running like it was dodging its bullet and kept coming straight for me, as it got within 50yrds or so I started shooting at it as well with a handgun and as it got real close I manage to shoot it dead. The wolf was lying there a few feet from me dead then I woke up. The dream bothered me a bit the reasons there is no wolves in my country nor do I own a handgun so what was that all about?. I looked it up on the net and found out that dreaming of a wolf running towards you means if the wolf reaches you and attacks you your going to have financial hardship, if you kill the wolf before it reaches you, your going to have financial success

Then I decided to do my own interpretation of my dream:

That night before the dream I was playing Battlefield and entered maps where a handgun was only allowed so I spent a good hour or so shooting with a hand gun. I have plenty of desktop pictures of wolfs - wolfs under a full moon wolfs in the background with a uboat running on the surface etc., So i'm always looking at them. So there's the reason for the handgun and the wolf. The people to my right shooting were probably my mind adding them from the Battlefield game as we all ran around with handguns.

I like to think the killing a wolf means success but till the day I dream of the winning lotto numbers I ain't taking dreams seriously

Umm have you been having a pressing matter that you think is quite urgent that you need to solve quickly? Anyway it looked like you have the capability to deal with the problem.

I usually lose in my dream(I attribute that to low self esteem) except when I get pissed then somehow I'm able to think even in dream and take control LOL.