111 unioins exempt from 'Obamacare'

[SteamWake]

Approved Applications for Waiver of the Annual Limits Requirements of the PHS Act Section 2711 as of November 1, 2010

Many of these exempt orginizations are the very same ones that called for this legislation.

http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations...or_waiver.html

[AVGWarhawk]

Not surprising....friggin back room deals. The only thing I see on C-Span is nothing.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Sigh...why can't we have a politics subforum???

[Sailor Steve]

What, no actual response? I expected more from you.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Why bother?

Many of these exempt orginizations are the very same ones that called for this legislation.

So dome of the very people who called for the legislation happen to be among the people who are using the legislation...wow whodathunkit

I didn't realise Captain Elliots party boats was a union though, just like a I didn't realise a whole big pile of that 111 who applied for and got waivers were unions.
Then again perhaps they ain't unions and are just companies that are availing of the legislation....but that wouldn't make sense as the title of this topic clearly intends to say the 111 are unions ......or is that onions

So lets see if I have this right, anyone can apply for a waiver and if they meet the criteria they can get one.
Thats just so unfair on people who either don't apply or don't meet the criteria.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So dome of the very people who called for the legislation happen to be among the people who are using the legislation...wow whodathunkit
.

What? here Ill fix it for you.

"So some of the very pepole who called for the legislation happen to be among the pepole who are AVOIDING the legislation"

Whats with the cherry picking ? Fishing boat

What about American Fidelity 9,000 plus

Or everyones favorite outfit SEIU 31,000 plus

or CIGNA at 265,000

These are not insignifigant numbers.

"So some of the very pepole who called for the legislation happen to be among the pepole who are AVOIDING the legislation"

CAPS LOCK strikes again,
If they were avoiding the legislation they wouldn't be using the legislation. The whole waiver scheme is part of the legislation.

Whats with the cherry picking ? Fishing boat

Hey its Party boat
Is it 111 unions or not?
the fact that it isn't 111 unions doesn't make it cherry picking, it just shows that you were having to make stuff up to try and justify your rant.
Its funny that you focus on the unions when it looks like the some of the major players with waiver applications happen to be health care companies and health care insurance companies.
Surely you should be complaining that the "socialist" program is a present to big business and panders to their interests

[SteamWake]

Semantics... have a nice day.

Semantics

Facts.....those are the things you should face before you let your regular outrage meter blow steam.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Sigh...why can't we have a politics subforum???

That would be so nice!

I'd be curious to know the reason why Neal refuse it ??

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Why bother?

Now you've got it!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Méo

That would be so nice!

I'd be curious to know the reason why Neal refuse it ??

The reason is that, despite what a few members seem to believe, SubSim is not a political forum. While political discussion is tollerated, it is clearly stated that topic spamming is discouraged. Creating a sub-forum dedicated soley to politics would not only encourage the type of topic spamming that we are trying to avoid, it also would mark a change in the direction of SubSim; away from being a website dedicated to naval combat simulations, as well as military history, video games in general and computer hardware by direct association, to a site explicitly dealing with social and political issues. Since the political is off topic in relation to the purpose of the website, it is placed in General Topics along with other off-topic posts. Creating a forum specific to politics would be an overt endorsement of political speech that I believe the site owner would like to avoid. It is not by accident that General Topics is listed towards the bottom of the board.

In short, Neal has said repeatedly that while some political discourse is acceptable, SubSim is not the place for political 'campaigning', as it were. Members are reminded that there are a plethora of sites that cater to those sensibilites, and are encouraged to use one of them if that is his intent.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

it also would mark a change in the direction of SubSim; away from being a website dedicated to naval combat simulations, as well as military history, video games in general and computer hardware

That is perfectly understandable.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

The reason is that, despite what a few members seem to believe, SubSim is not a political forum. While political discussion is tollerated, it is clearly stated that topic spamming is discouraged.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

SubSim is not the place for political 'campaigning', as it were. Members are reminded that there are a plethora of sites that cater to those sensibilites, and are encouraged to use one of them if that is his intent.

It doesn't seem to be clear for everyone, thanks.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Méo

It doesn't seem to be clear for everyone, thanks.

You're abolutely right; it does not seem to be clear to everyone, and I think that the solution is that members need to refrain from spamming, and moderators need to be tougher on those that engage in topic spamming. That goes for all sub-forums across the board. I need to do a better job as well.

To paraphrase from my (internet) boss, Mr. Stevens, there are three types of people that use internet forums: People who understand the rules, people that don't understand the rules and people that need to be hit with a stick. As moderators, we have to do a better job of keeping the third type from disrupting the enjoyment of the first two.

[Méo]

@SteamWake (and everyone else).

Please feel free to continue with this thread, I'm not the one who have to tell you if you're spamming or not.

It just annoys me how polarized some people are here and how they tend to oversimplify everything.