Why I love America - Page 3

tater · 11-13-10, 12:35 AM

Meat is by the pound.

Beef varies from maybe ~$5-6/lb to $20/lb depending on the quality/cut. (at a regular grocery store, ~$10/lb would be very expensive, $20 would be places like Whole Foods, or other "fancy" stores)

Pork is considerably cheaper, as is chicken.

the_tyrant · 11-13-10, 08:55 AM

Why do companies want to sent jobs to China, Mexico, Vietnam etc?
Everything is made by big machines that are idiot proof
Also, at companies like foxconn ( the company that manufactures apple products) they take away like 30% of your monthly pay if you have a defective product
therefore, the quality of products made there isn't really worse
but the costs are so much lower

its really just like early 20th century america
when management treated employees like s**t

tater · 11-13-10, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Why do companies want to sent jobs to China, Mexico, Vietnam etc?
Everything is made by big machines that are idiot proof
Also, at companies like foxconn ( the company that manufactures apple products) they take away like 30% of your monthly pay if you have a defective product
therefore, the quality of products made there isn't really worse
but the costs are so much lower

its really just like early 20th century america
when management treated employees like s**t

Yeah, sounds like it in a nutshell. I agree quality is no longer an issue. Like those model planes I talked about. they are great quality, and so incredibly cheap (though in the case of these I know most finishing is by hand since the runs are small, and the finish varies a lot (different paint jobs) making tooling up non-trivila for automation).

I think China is bound to become more expensive as their standard of living increases.

The US needs to hold a sustainable amount of manufacturing. Dunno what that % of the world market is, but it's below 50%, that's for sure

AdeptCharge · 11-13-10, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

My bottom line is this: I love my country. I HATE .. yes.. HATE, with a fervent passion seeing jobs being lossed, and our industry being exported overseas. I DO NOT CARE about ANY foreign country. Not china, not india, certainly not Korea, nobody. They can all go to hell for all i care. I only care, about my country. If we do not take care of ourselves first, then NOBODY will.

Diopos · 11-13-10, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

...
I DO NOT CARE about ANY foreign country.
...

But ... but ... but... we are friends ...

No?

Anyway, you should always "care" about potential customers ...

The Chinese seem to do ... Link

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tater · 11-13-10, 01:19 PM

While I disagree with ducimus entirely (least if that dumb Boxer video is any indication, I don't even consider it mildly compelling) on some points, I do pretty much agree with the "I DO NOT CARE about ANY foreign country."

I don't, either, except to the extent they are useful to promote American interests.

BTW, did anyone not find it amusing that Boxer—a proponent of virtually any deficit spending you'd care to name (except maybe defense)—is attacking business moving to China. Who, pray tell, Senator Boxer, will be paying for all your socialist government spending ideas? Certainly not the taxpayer since she spends more than is collected (and if she had her way, we'd spend even more in the red). China, that's who. Any increase in the Chinese bottom line is exactly what someone like Boxer must want, else how will they afford to be our creditors?

Takeda Shingen · 11-13-10, 01:27 PM

I know that this is off topic, but I love America because I can buy whiskey on Sundays.

Back to topic.

CCIP · 11-13-10, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I know that this is off topic, but I love America because I can buy whiskey on Sundays.

Back to topic.

I'm not american, but I sure do love the cheap booze you guys have (comparatively to Canada). Can't wait for my vacation in December

the_tyrant · 11-13-10, 01:33 PM

Its people like Ducimus that ruin the US
Globalization is a trend that can't be stopped
and maybe we can even see further political consolidation (the united states of earth maybe?) in the future

CCIP · 11-13-10, 01:35 PM

I think the trend of globalization can be stopped, but I don't think nationalism is the solution to it tbh. If anything, it's a cure worse than the disease. Like it or not, the "I love america, screw everyone else" thinking is part of the problem; in practice that supports the flagrant hoarding of consumer goods by Americans in an effort to sustain an unsustainable lifestyle, which can only happen with the use of cheap foreign labour, i.e. through economic globalization. I don't think any amount of love for the American dream is gonna save America, unless Americans reconsider what it actually means. The US public is, however, by and large drunk on the immediate benefits of economic globalism. Simply trying to bring jobs back or snapping at the Chinese for stealing them won't help anyone anywhere. The fact is that people are more or less the same everywhere, and only by recognizing that can you begin to act fairly and to set realistic lifestyle goals for your country. Otherwise the "we're better" or "I love America, I don't love others" mentality leads to the sense of entitlement to a better lifestyle than China and everyone else, at the expense of both yourself and others.

krashkart · 11-13-10, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Globalization is a trend that can't be stopped
and maybe we can even see further political consolidation (the united states of earth maybe?) in the future

It might eventually pave the way for the United Federation of Planets.

Takeda Shingen · 11-13-10, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Its people like Ducimus that ruin the US
Globalization is a trend that can't be stopped
and maybe we can even see further political consolidation (the united states of earth maybe?) in the future

It is not people like Ducimus that have ruined the United States, quite the opposite. It is those who support globalism that have brought about the ruin of the nation. I find Ducimus' dissent to be wholly patriotic.

tater · 11-13-10, 02:21 PM

I find the anti-globalization argument to be sort of odd. I just don't "get it."

We've always had "globalization," the only difference is that it used to be "owned" only by the few big players, and was either real colonialism, or "market" colonialism—extract from someplace else, and ship home.

Was the old china trade (clipper ships) not "globalization? Was it OK simply because we made loads of cash on the deal?

The notion that the loss of some US industry is wrong is crazy, IMHO. Do you really think it was sustainable for the US to be more than 50% of world manufacturing forever, when we are such a small % of the world's population? Before, the US (and the West in general) was at a huge technological advantage vs the East. They could not possibly make the stuff we did. that was bound to change. Once the process of production is able to be replicated anywhere, the only blocks to "globalization" would be what? Currency devaluation? Crippling tariffs? Simply banning foreign goods? Look at US cars before there was serious foreign competition. 1970s POS American cars. That's what you'll get.

Enlighten me, I just don't buy the anti-globalization (gotta be screwy when morons like Pat Buchannan and unbathed, leftist students (who've never had a real job) are against it (that constellation is a major "pro" argument to my mind).).

Takeda Shingen · 11-13-10, 02:28 PM

As a moron, I can't think that anything I could type in this box would possibly serve as enlightenment.

Platapus · 11-13-10, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I know that this is off topic, but I love America because I can buy whiskey on Sundays.

Back to topic.

Then you only love parts of America. There are still places where you can't buy alcohol on Sunday.

11-13-10, 01:35 PM	#40
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I think the trend of globalization can be stopped, but I don't think nationalism is the solution to it tbh. If anything, it's a cure worse than the disease. Like it or not, the "I love america, screw everyone else" thinking is part of the problem; in practice that supports the flagrant hoarding of consumer goods by Americans in an effort to sustain an unsustainable lifestyle, which can only happen with the use of cheap foreign labour, i.e. through economic globalization. I don't think any amount of love for the American dream is gonna save America, unless Americans reconsider what it actually means. The US public is, however, by and large drunk on the immediate benefits of economic globalism. Simply trying to bring jobs back or snapping at the Chinese for stealing them won't help anyone anywhere. The fact is that people are more or less the same everywhere, and only by recognizing that can you begin to act fairly and to set realistic lifestyle goals for your country. Otherwise the "we're better" or "I love America, I don't love others" mentality leads to the sense of entitlement to a better lifestyle than China and everyone else, at the expense of both yourself and others. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-13-10, 12:35 AM	#31
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Meat is by the pound. Beef varies from maybe ~$5-6/lb to $20/lb depending on the quality/cut. (at a regular grocery store, ~$10/lb would be very expensive, $20 would be places like Whole Foods, or other "fancy" stores) Pork is considerably cheaper, as is chicken.

11-13-10, 08:55 AM	#32
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Why do companies want to sent jobs to China, Mexico, Vietnam etc? Everything is made by big machines that are idiot proof Also, at companies like foxconn ( the company that manufactures apple products) they take away like 30% of your monthly pay if you have a defective product therefore, the quality of products made there isn't really worse but the costs are so much lower its really just like early 20th century america when management treated employees like s**t

11-13-10, 01:19 PM	#36
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	While I disagree with ducimus entirely (least if that dumb Boxer video is any indication, I don't even consider it mildly compelling) on some points, I do pretty much agree with the "I DO NOT CARE about ANY foreign country." I don't, either, except to the extent they are useful to promote American interests. BTW, did anyone not find it amusing that Boxer—a proponent of virtually any deficit spending you'd care to name (except maybe defense)—is attacking business moving to China. Who, pray tell, Senator Boxer, will be paying for all your socialist government spending ideas? Certainly not the taxpayer since she spends more than is collected (and if she had her way, we'd spend even more in the red). China, that's who. Any increase in the Chinese bottom line is exactly what someone like Boxer must want, else how will they afford to be our creditors?

11-13-10, 01:27 PM	#37
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I know that this is off topic, but I love America because I can buy whiskey on Sundays. Back to topic.

11-13-10, 01:33 PM	#39
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Its people like Ducimus that ruin the US Globalization is a trend that can't be stopped and maybe we can even see further political consolidation (the united states of earth maybe?) in the future

11-13-10, 02:21 PM	#43
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I find the anti-globalization argument to be sort of odd. I just don't "get it." We've always had "globalization," the only difference is that it used to be "owned" only by the few big players, and was either real colonialism, or "market" colonialism—extract from someplace else, and ship home. Was the old china trade (clipper ships) not "globalization? Was it OK simply because we made loads of cash on the deal? The notion that the loss of some US industry is wrong is crazy, IMHO. Do you really think it was sustainable for the US to be more than 50% of world manufacturing forever, when we are such a small % of the world's population? Before, the US (and the West in general) was at a huge technological advantage vs the East. They could not possibly make the stuff we did. that was bound to change. Once the process of production is able to be replicated anywhere, the only blocks to "globalization" would be what? Currency devaluation? Crippling tariffs? Simply banning foreign goods? Look at US cars before there was serious foreign competition. 1970s POS American cars. That's what you'll get. Enlighten me, I just don't buy the anti-globalization (gotta be screwy when morons like Pat Buchannan and unbathed, leftist students (who've never had a real job) are against it (that constellation is a major "pro" argument to my mind).).

11-13-10, 02:28 PM	#44
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	As a moron, I can't think that anything I could type in this box would possibly serve as enlightenment.