Pope Defends Traditional Families as Spanish Gays Hold 'Kiss-In'

[krashkart]

Maybe the Pope should just admit that he's kinda turned on by the whole steamy affair.

[Betonov]

yea sure, sometimes they go over the top with their ''we are gay and proud'' so it borders on distastefull, but I agree with them and their rights. And the level of secularisation achieved by the spanish is something to be proud of. Doing what the pope wants on national levels is idiotism

[Skybird]

I wish gay activists would stop with their narcisstic self-dramatisation, and the church would stop claiming powers that it does not deserve.

When a pope talks about protection of family values (I'm all for prioritizing families due to their overwhelming importance for the scoial community's future), he is not so much aboit family interests, but powerinterests of the church and the control it wants to have over people, and the status it claims for itself in society. And when gay activists launch another CSD or a Kiss-in or a nude parade, they are not about civil rights and equality, but their very own little climax of the day, and enjoying to be naughty in public without the public being allowed to express disgust. That's such a kick!

The church and it's orders are not holy. And there is no explicit reason for gay "pride", there is no merit in being gay (or hetero - it is like your skin colour: some have this colour, others have that - what's there to be "proud" of?). Both religion and sexual orientation should be left where it belongs - inside people's private chamber.

So will both of you two freaks, gay activists and church alike, stop annoying the vast majorit of us, please!

And btw, dear Mr. Ratzinger, a figure that still condemns the containing of HIV by using condoms, and still is committed to increasing the biggest crime in human history - pushing global population explosion and all the miserable suffering that it causes by the hundreds of millions every year - has not the smallest moral authority himself to lecture others about moral values.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And there is no explicit reason for gay "pride", there is no merit in being gay (or hetero - it is like your skin colour: some have this colour, others have that - what's there to be "proud" of?)

Simple really - gay pride exists because gay shame exists. It's a funny version of Newton's Third Law of Motion

And when gay activists launch another CSD or a Kiss-in or a nude parade, they are not about civil rights and equality, but their very own little climax of the day, and enjoying to be naughty in public without the public being allowed to express disgust. That's such a kick!

Agreed on the church not having any authority here, but I don't see why a) the public is "not allowed" to express disgust, or b) why this protest should be seen as disgusting.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Simple really - gay pride exists because gay shame exists. It's a funny version of Newton's Third Law of Motion

Newton'S third law, eh?

Agreed on the church not having any authority here, but I don't see why a) the public is "not allowed" to express disgust, or b) why this protest should be seen as disgusting.

Dare to say something against CSD and nude parades, and be ready to get a public grilling by the media echo and the PC brigade for your "intolerance" and obvious "discrimination". I wonder why so far opposition to CSD and public nudity has not been brandmarked as "racism" - or have I just missed it?

[FIREWALL]

It begs to be asked... How many fruits do we have in the vegetable bin around here ?

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

It begs to be asked... How many fruits do we have in the vegetable bin around here ?

I'm neither, but who cares! Let's have a parade and celebrate nude submarine pride.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I wonder why so far opposition to CSD and public nudity has not been brandmarked as "racism" - or have I just missed it?

Cat Scratch Disease? Cortical Spreading Depression? Chartered Society of Designers? Communication Service for the Deaf?
WTFH is CSD
It isn't on Wikipedia/Wiktionary


As for why public nudity isn't brandmarked as "racism", it's actually quite simple to understand. You are either born as a gay or not, just like you're born as a black or white or yellow or purple person. You can't help it. But you aren't born as a nudist. You are born nude, yes, but not as a nudist.

[Gerald]

Christopher Street Day,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Street_Day

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Christopher Street Day,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Street_Day

Ah k... also explains why I didn't know the name:

Only Germany and Switzerland use the term CSD, in other countries, the same kind of event is called Gay Pride or Pride Parade

Originally Posted by Skybird

That was not what I - rethorically - asked. I was not about public nudity and racism, but claims of racism being used to gag criticism of public nudity and CSD.

Hmm so I simply mistook your rhetorical question as a genuine one
Anyway, if criticism of nudity etc. are brandmarked as racism, the ones doing the brandmarking should reread what racism is as they obviously don't understand the word.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

As for why public nudity isn't brandmarked as "racism", it's actually quite simple to understand.

That was not what I - rethorically - asked. I was not about public nudity and racism, but claims of racism being used to gag criticism of public nudity and CSD.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And btw, dear Mr. Ratzinger, a figure that still condemns the containing of HIV by using condoms, and still is committed to increasing the biggest crime in human history - pushing global population explosion and all the miserable suffering that it causes by the hundreds of millions every year - has not the smallest moral authority himself to lecture others about moral values.

The catholic church and all Christianity, is geared toward ensuring your afterlife in heaven, not easing your earthly burdens. That is the reason for self denial and self-inflicted pain amongst certain monks. By suffering on earth you reap the rewards of heaven.

Not my cup of tea, but bearing that in mind allows some understanding of the motives.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

The catholic church and all Christianity, is geared toward ensuring your afterlife in heaven, not easing your earthly burdens. That is the reason for self denial and self-inflicted pain amongst certain monks. By suffering on earth you reap the rewards of heaven.

Not my cup of tea, but bearing that in mind allows some understanding of the motives.

Oh, I poerfectly understand their claims of why they do what they do. It's jujst that I never believed them that the church hierarchy meant that honest and serious. It's all abvout power-politics.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I wish gay activists would stop with their narcisstic self-dramatisation, and the church would stop claiming powers that it does not deserve.

When a pope talks about protection of family values (I'm all for prioritizing families due to their overwhelming importance for the scoial community's future), he is not so much aboit family interests, but powerinterests of the church and the control it wants to have over people, and the status it claims for itself in society. And when gay activists launch another CSD or a Kiss-in or a nude parade, they are not about civil rights and equality, but their very own little climax of the day, and enjoying to be naughty in public without the public being allowed to express disgust. That's such a kick!

The church and it's orders are not holy. And there is no explicit reason for gay "pride", there is no merit in being gay (or hetero - it is like your skin colour: some have this colour, others have that - what's there to be "proud" of?). Both religion and sexual orientation should be left where it belongs - inside people's private chamber.

So will both of you two freaks, gay activists and church alike, stop annoying the vast majorit of us, please!

And btw, dear Mr. Ratzinger, a figure that still condemns the containing of HIV by using condoms, and still is committed to increasing the biggest crime in human history - pushing global population explosion and all the miserable suffering that it causes by the hundreds of millions every year - has not the smallest moral authority himself to lecture others about moral values.

agree 100%

[Safe-Keeper]

im serious, what - is - the - point?

who cares?

Was that rhetorical, or do you actually fail to understand the point of gay rallies?

"What was the point of African-Americans sitting in the middle of the street during the Civil Rights Movement? What was the deal with those oddball peace protesters burning piles of draft notes? What's up with this inexplicable pride felt by those weirdos who recently have made incredible leaps forward in their fight for tolerance and rights in such a short span of time? Seriously, what's it all about?"

Agreed on the church not having any authority here, but I don't see why a) the public is "not allowed" to express disgust, or b) why this protest should be seen as disgusting.

Because he openly dislikes gays; it's that old "I don't mind them, just so long as they stay in the closet where I don't have to see them" deal. I have strong feelings that he would not find an inter-racial kiss-in or an Atheist Free Hugs Day nearly as irking.

this is the problem with special interest groups.

they want so badly for everyone to know they are "special" that they will do anything to draw attention to themselves.

Did you actually read what you quoted?

"BARCELONA, Spain -- Pope Benedict XVI strongly defended traditional families and the rights of the unborn Sunday, directly attacking Spanish laws that allow gay marriage, fast-track divorce and easier abortions as he dedicated Barcelona's iconic church, the Sagrada Familia."

But sure, it has nothing to do with civil rights, or homosexuals feeling chastised -- they just happened to have a pep rally right when the Pope made a visit.