Quantas A-380s grounded after engine explosion - Page 2

Platapus · 11-04-10, 06:32 PM

That is one big aircraft. Kudos to the pilots!

krashkart · 11-04-10, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Still, it'll be good to have a flame-war which doesn't revolve around Obama or US politics for once, won't it?

Until somebody makes an indirect tie between the engine failure and the POTUS.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Seeing the Airbus' engine smoking, I think Boeing started early.

I do admire your wit, Skybird.

bookworm_020 · 11-04-10, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Maintenance for Qantas' A388 engines is provided directly by Rolls-Royce, I'm not sure about Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa (the other two carriers using R-R on their A380's). So far, Lufthansa have continued operations, and Singapore have announced extra checks on their engines, causing some delays. Keep in mind that Singapore have the most R-R/A380 hours by a good margin.

Qantas A380 maintenance is done in Germany! The union's here in Australia are trying to get Qantas to bring all maintenance back "home" saying that Qantas Is trading on a safety reputation it no longer deserves. There has been a couple of major engine failures in the past six months. The pilot training has been good enough that it all works out, but there is a limit.

CCIP · 11-04-10, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Qantas A380 maintenance is done in Germany! The union's here in Australia are trying to get Qantas to bring all maintenance back "home" saying that Qantas Is trading on a safety reputation it no longer deserves. There has been a couple of major engine failures in the past six months. The pilot training has been good enough that it all works out, but there is a limit.

Good on them then - I do hope this incident helps tip the scales in the Aussie workers' favour!

TarJak · 11-05-10, 01:18 AM

Just so you know there is and never has been a U in QANTAS. It is an acronym for Queensland And Nothern Territory Air Service harking back to its roots in Western Queensland 90 years ago.

TarJak · 11-05-10, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Qantas A380 maintenance is done in Germany! The union's here in Australia are trying to get Qantas to bring all maintenance back "home" saying that Qantas Is trading on a safety reputation it no longer deserves. There has been a couple of major engine failures in the past six months. The pilot training has been good enough that it all works out, but there is a limit.

The engines are maintained by RR. The unions are talking bollocks to be honest. The failure rate has not increased one iota since some maintenance was moved offshore.

The bulk of Qantas maintenance is done inhouse by the Qantas Engineering staff.

If the engineering unions want to keep work here, then they need to stop asking for riduculous conditions making themselves uncompetitive with competent.

The A-380 maintenance is done in Germany by Lufthansa Technik, a world renowned and very capable maintenance team.

Qantas does not compromise when it comes to safety, bu they do get their money's worth as any smart business should.

http://media.smh.com.au/national/nat...l?from=newsbox

papa_smurf · 11-05-10, 05:51 AM

Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478

Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft.

CCIP · 11-05-10, 08:25 AM

By the way, one detail that I'm really wondering about: engine 2 blew, but after landing apparently engine 1 could not be shut down (and you can see this in pictures of it being blasted with water to shut it off). What sort of damage would this indicate?

Jimbuna · 11-05-10, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478

Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft.

The hole in the wing was 'gradually expanding'

MH · 11-05-10, 08:56 AM

I think 747 had a problem with engines falling off when it was totaly new plane.

Skybird · 11-05-10, 09:32 AM

Most carriers do not maintain a maintenance network as extensive as that of Lufthansa, for that reason several carriers send their machines to Lufthansa for certain key checks that need to be run on a regular basis.

Qantas without "u"

has chosen for the RR engines, so any problem with the engine is not an issue of Airbus, but between Qantas and RR. Airbus neither designs nor supplies the engines, and also does not maintain them.

The European Aerial Traffic Adminsitration (or hoe they are called in English) has released a note saying that already several months ago they ahd send a warning to RR over the engines for the A380, calling them to do additional inspections on their design.

It seems to me that there is an issue with the very design of the RR engines for the A380 that amongst insiders is known since longer.

I wonder if now orders for the rivalling engine by Engine Alliance will rise. Emirates are using these, I think, and Air France. I assume for a plane with four en gines that capable to fly with even 2 engines only, thrust is not the factor deciding which engines are chosen by a carrier, but fuel consumption, noise, availability, and supply of spare parts, price, longevity, etc.

Engine Alliance is American (GE and Pratt&Whitney), Rolls Royce is British.

FIREWALL · 11-05-10, 10:00 AM

Just a bunch of Knee-Jerk reaction hype.

If anybodys that worried about flying on a Airbus or Boeing plane, WALK. I say

Skybird · 11-05-10, 11:42 AM

Qantas seems to have a run. Just in: a B747 has had engine troubles as well, and needed to make an emergency landing in Singapore.

CCIP · 11-05-10, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Qantas seems to have a run. Just in: a B747 has had engine troubles as well, and needed to make an emergency landing in Singapore.

Yup... the plot thickens

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11702365

I guess Airbus was quick with their "flame war" response

also, a bump to my previous post - anyone have any technical explanation for why Engine 1 would fail to shut off?

Task Force · 11-05-10, 03:22 PM

Hmm, maby they accidently hit a kangaroo on takeoff, though the effect was delayed till they got towards singapore.

11-04-10, 06:32 PM	#16
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,369 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	That is one big aircraft. Kudos to the pilots! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-05-10, 05:51 AM	#22
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478 Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft. __________________

11-05-10, 08:25 AM	#23
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	By the way, one detail that I'm really wondering about: engine 2 blew, but after landing apparently engine 1 could not be shut down (and you can see this in pictures of it being blasted with water to shut it off). What sort of damage would this indicate? __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-05-10, 09:32 AM	#26
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,632 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Most carriers do not maintain a maintenance network as extensive as that of Lufthansa, for that reason several carriers send their machines to Lufthansa for certain key checks that need to be run on a regular basis. Qantas without "u" has chosen for the RR engines, so any problem with the engine is not an issue of Airbus, but between Qantas and RR. Airbus neither designs nor supplies the engines, and also does not maintain them. The European Aerial Traffic Adminsitration (or hoe they are called in English) has released a note saying that already several months ago they ahd send a warning to RR over the engines for the A380, calling them to do additional inspections on their design. It seems to me that there is an issue with the very design of the RR engines for the A380 that amongst insiders is known since longer. I wonder if now orders for the rivalling engine by Engine Alliance will rise. Emirates are using these, I think, and Air France. I assume for a plane with four en gines that capable to fly with even 2 engines only, thrust is not the factor deciding which engines are chosen by a carrier, but fuel consumption, noise, availability, and supply of spare parts, price, longevity, etc. Engine Alliance is American (GE and Pratt&Whitney), Rolls Royce is British. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-05-10, 10:00 AM	#27
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Just a bunch of Knee-Jerk reaction hype. If anybodys that worried about flying on a Airbus or Boeing plane, WALK. I say __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-05-10, 01:18 AM	#20
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Just so you know there is and never has been a U in QANTAS. It is an acronym for Queensland And Nothern Territory Air Service harking back to its roots in Western Queensland 90 years ago.

11-05-10, 08:56 AM	#25
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	I think 747 had a problem with engines falling off when it was totaly new plane.

11-05-10, 11:42 AM	#28
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,632 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Qantas seems to have a run. Just in: a B747 has had engine troubles as well, and needed to make an emergency landing in Singapore. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-05-10, 03:22 PM	#30
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Hmm, maby they accidently hit a kangaroo on takeoff, though the effect was delayed till they got towards singapore. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"