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[Takeda Shingen]

So long as the Tea Party continues to be tethered to the Republicans, any real change will be an illusion, as they will continue to function in the Team R voting block. Serious change requires a fracturing of the two-party system. It is my hope that the Tea Party will go this direction, but until they do, they are little more than shills for the Republican Neo-Con establishment, continuing the revolving door of dual-party failure.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This hard line partisanship is one big circle jerk, with people who are genuinely moderate and/or impartial as the pivot man.

Genuinely moderate and/or impartial ? No such thing, unless you are dead in a coffin!

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

So long as the Tea Party continues to be tethered to the Republicans, any real change will be an illusion, as they will continue to function in the Team R voting block. Serious change requires a fracturing of the two-party system. It is my hope that the Tea Party will go this direction, but until they do, they are little more than shills for the Republican Neo-Con establishment, continuing the revolving door of dual-party failure.

Christine O'Donnel, a Tea party candidate, is so tied to neo-con.....Karl Rove denounce her.

Your just looking for a boogie-man, but it isn't working,,,,,bud.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Christine O'Donnel, a Tea party candidate, is so tied to neo-con.....

Your just looking for a boogie-man, but it isn't working,,,,,bud.

And that's just her problem, isn't it? All successful Tea-ers* are successful only if they recieve the approval of the Republican establishment. So long as they remain members of Team R, they have to play by Team Rs' rules. When I start seeing 'T's on the ballots, I'll start getting excited about them. Until then, it's politics as usual, boogie-men or not.

*I can't really say Tea Party because they aren't really a party unto themselves; they're Republicans. I won't use the pejorative 'Tea Baggers', so Tea-ers will have to do for now.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

*I can't really say Tea Party because they aren't really a party unto themselves; they're Republicans.

Then you don't understand the Tea Party movement. Or why the Repubs will take congress.

Nancy called them astro turf and could have embrassed them but was .........

[tater]

The world is filled with examples of multi-party systems vs our 2-partty system. I'd like some examples of where the multi-party system has effectively constrained government if I'm going to think positively about it.

Minus a similar party to drain the swamp on the left some, I think we'd simply see a new conservative party guarantee democrat power in perpetuity.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Then you don't understand the Tea Party movement. Or why the Repubs will take congress.

Maybe. We'll see for certain soon enough.

EDIT: Referencing the nature of the Tea-ers. That the Republican Party will achieve a majority in The House and parity in the Senate are givens.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by tater

Minus a similar party to drain the swamp on the left some, I think we'd simply see a new conservative party guarantee democrat power in perpetuity.

Absolutely. Team D must split as well. This is why I have always argued for third, fourth and fifth parties; the more fractured they are, the happier I would be. A coalition government forces rule from the center, not the wings as we see now. That may make certain elements much less happy, but would be the most representative of the people, to whom the goverment is indentured.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Genuinely moderate and/or impartial ? No such thing, unless you are dead in a coffin!

And this hardline stance of "your with us or against us", is also a crock of ****. Some of you folks really need to get out this black and white two dimensional view. The world is not flat.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

And this hardline stance of "your with us or against us", is also a crock of ****. Some of you folks really need to get out this black and white two dimensional view. The world is not flat.

I got news for you. They don't have to try and portray anything. The Tea partiers are doing a good job of it all on their own between this and open carry demonstrations.

And this isn't an opinion/POV/black and white/moderate/impartial? I'm not saying you are wrong on that topic, but it is the afore mentioned, and the world is still round.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

So long as the Tea Party continues to be tethered to the Republicans, any real change will be an illusion, as they will continue to function in the Team R voting block. Serious change requires a fracturing of the two-party system. It is my hope that the Tea Party will go this direction, but until they do, they are little more than shills for the Republican Neo-Con establishment, continuing the revolving door of dual-party failure.

The Tea Party is not a multi-plank political party. There is no Tea Party position on abortion or gun control or any number of other social hot buttons. They are all about stopping government mismanagement and fiscal irresponsibility.

The only tethers they have to the Republican party are:

A: By circumstance (the GoP being the replacements for the group of scoundrels presently in power).

B. The fact that the Democrats, instead of embracing their ideal of fiscal moderation and accountability are doing everything they can to cast the Tea Party as some radical wing of the GoP in order to marginalize both.

The Republicans do not want the Tea Partiers in their ranks any more than the Democrats do, but it's just more difficult for a party that is supposed to be about fiscal responsibility to ignore the movement.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

And this isn't an opinion/POV/black and white/moderate/impartial? I'm not saying you are wrong but it is the afore mentioned, and the world is still round.

Nowhere did i state my complete thoughts and beleifs. Only bits an pieces of them. Nor do i have to explain my thoughts and beleifs to you, or anyone else.

And you didn't get the (double/ "stabby") metaphor. I'm sure Takeda probably gets it. It flew over your head at 50,000 feet.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Nowhere did i state my complete thoughts and beleifs. Only bits an pieces of them. Nor do i have to explain my thoughts and beleifs to you, or anyone else.

And you didn't get the (double/ "stabby") metaphor. I'm sure Takeda probably gets it. It flew over your head at 50,000 feet.

By picking the 'thoughts and beleifs' you post only serves to confirm the falacy of your posts. Because you aren't being truthfull to the membership, or, more importantly to yourself.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

The Tea Party is not a multi-plank political party. There is no Tea Party position on abortion or gun control or any number of other social hot buttons. They are all about stopping government mismanagement and fiscal irresponsibility.

The only tethers they have to the Republican party are:

A: By circumstance (the GoP being the replacements for the group of scoundrels presently in power).

B. The fact that the Democrats, instead of embracing their ideal of fiscal moderation and accountability are doing everything they can to cast the Tea Party as some radical wing of the GoP in order to marginalize both.

The Republicans do not want the Tea Partiers in their ranks any more than the Democrats do, but it's just more difficult for a party that is supposed to be about fiscal responsibility to ignore the movement.

This is all true, but I feel it is a certainty that these officials will proceed to vote with the Republican block on the issues of gun control, abortion, stem cells, et al; talking like Paleoconservatives and Libertarians but voting like Neo-Cons. Of course, this is all speculation, and we'll have to see what they do in there. For me, I've seen these type of 'revolutions' before, and the past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior.

But, as you alluded to, I think it will be very interesting after the election; regarding both inter-party and intra-party conflict.

Let political gridlock prevail! Because that is what the founders wanted.