Astute Subamarine unbeatable?

Oberon · 10-26-10, 02:34 PM

Nothing is invincible, but she is rather good, when driven in the right direction.

ETR3(SS) · 10-26-10, 02:40 PM

You can have all the fancy equipment in the world and still be the worst boat in the fleet. It's the crew that determines how good a boat is, not the boat itself. Therefore she is most vincible, beatable, and detectable to a better crew.

TLAM Strike · 10-26-10, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

You can have all the fancy equipment in the world and still be the worst boat in the fleet. It's the crew that determines how good a boat is, not the boat itself. Therefore she is most vincible, beatable, and detectable to a better crew.

Then again if you build the best boat in the world with all the fanciest equipment... then take the crew out of the picture, well you got something dangerous indeed...

...don't think we are not heading towards that, there is talk of arming the RMMVs for the LCS.

Didn't the guy who wrote Das Boot say something like all the crew does is plug the holes in the machinery left by engineers?

Axeman3d · 10-27-10, 03:08 AM

I passed Faslane on Monday and she was tied up beside another sub, apparently still getting checked over for damage. There's a viewing area back on the hill overlooking the base where the military road crosses the hills, and there were a few people looking and taking photos. The publicity in the papers here has been a bit rough for the navy, and it looks like the Astute's commander has had it for this one.

10-27-10, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman3d

it looks like the Astute's commander has had it for this one.

During peace time running aground is the quickest way to lose a command. Hitting another ship is number two.

crocodile · 10-28-10, 11:43 AM

OK so perhaps it's not so unbeatable due to possible error and crew mistakes.... but considering that they won't give a 1.4 billion sub to a green crew, with equivalent crews can a another Sub stand a chance against this one?

Gerald · 10-28-10, 11:47 AM

Certainly there are several players in the world's oceans

TLAM Strike · 10-28-10, 12:16 PM

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OK so perhaps it's not so unbeatable due to possible error and crew mistakes.... but considering that they won't give a 1.4 billion sub to a green crew, with equivalent crews can a another Sub stand a chance against this one?

For SSNs..

Well it would be a heck of a fight between an Astute and a Virgina. But I would say the Virgina has the edge because its more versatile and more mature (the Virginas are up to Block II with Block III being designed).

The Russian Yasen class while "new" is a quite old design (1993) and I would say the Astute has an edge over her.

The French Amethyste is quite old and lightly armed anyways except as an ambush weapon (the French boats are quiet due to their natural circulation reactor) the Astute has the edge easily.

The PLAN's Type 093, no chance against an Astute.

For SSKs there are a few there that would be a challenge. The Japanese Soryu, the German Type 212 and 214s, the French/Spanish Scorpene/S-80 class. The Swedish Gotland, maybe the Russian Lada and Chinese Yuan.

The Japanese and German subs would be the closest match I think since they are very new and AIP equipped.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Nothing is invincible, but she is rather good, when driven in the right direction.

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Axeman3d Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 127 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I passed Faslane on Monday and she was tied up beside another sub, apparently still getting checked over for damage. There's a viewing area back on the hill overlooking the base where the military road crosses the hills, and there were a few people looking and taking photos. The publicity in the papers here has been a bit rough for the navy, and it looks like the Astute's commander has had it for this one.

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crocodile Watch Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 23 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	OK so perhaps it's not so unbeatable due to possible error and crew mistakes.... but considering that they won't give a 1.4 billion sub to a green crew, with equivalent crews can a another Sub stand a chance against this one?