Goodbye, democracy!!!

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I'm preaching since years that there is not a single democracy in the West anymore. We have oligarchies, plutoracies and secretive lobbyist tyrannies, and mixture forms of all these. On paper only it still is a democracy. In reality, it all is a Mafia. It all is rotten and corrupt from skin to bone. Lies are the new gospel. Betrayal is the new virtue. Bypassing the electorate is the new sports of the self-declared neofeudal class.

Demoracy is as dead as "dead" can mean. It's just being used as a slogan in order to prevent the masses from open revolt.

America was never a Democracy anyway, we are a Constitutional Republic and as the SCOTUS goes by the Constitution, these groups are allowed to get involved and should be.MOST people are not dumb enough in todays world with all the info out there to let some commercials influence them, they can look things up and decide for themselves.

[antikristuseke]

Bubblehead, I am going to have to disagree with you there, but is is not because people are dumb, rather too lazy to look things up for themselves.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Bubblehead, I am going to have to disagree with you there, but is is not because people are dumb, rather too lazy to look things up for themselves.

Well some may be too lazy, but not most.Esp this cycle!

[antikristuseke]

Sadly I think you will be proven wrong. It wont be any different than any other election, politicians just shuffle places a bit but nothing will really change.

It wont be any different than any other election, politicians just shuffle places a bit but nothing will really change.

Yes, but allow him some indulgencies, after all its all new to him.
Once he finishes his schooling, gets out in the real world and lives through a few "changes" of government he may understand better.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes, but allow him some indulgencies, after all its all new to him.
Once he finishes his schooling, gets out in the real world and lives through a few "changes" of government he may understand better.

I disagree.Believe you've lived through too much and are cynical, which can't say I blame you.However, I believe some real change is underway, I could be wrong but we shall see.

[Legionary74]

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[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I disagree.Believe you've lived through too much and are cynical, which can't say I blame you.However, I believe some real change is underway, I could be wrong but we shall see.

HOPE AND CHANGE! LOL!

You'll see...once you stop looking at things in terms of R vs D, and more in terms of Corporations vs you, you will see what's really happening and you won't be suckered into their charade.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I disagree.Believe you've lived through too much and are cynical, which can't say I blame you.However, I believe some real change is underway, I could be wrong but we shall see.

I'm only 23, I wonder how cynical i'll be in my 40's...If this keeps up I am going to make an awesome cranky old man.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Sadly I think you will be proven wrong. It wont be any different than any other election, politicians just shuffle places a bit but nothing will really change.

Brilliant (no sarcasm intended).

Honestly, in every other election in my lifetime I would agree with you. But to be honest, I think change is a-comin'.

This political year is just downright bizarre. In my lifetime I have never seen moderate-right conservative activism on quite this scale - or really, any scale for that matter. Social policy has taken a backburner to fiscal policy in a very real sense. Establishment candidates are the only ones attempting to talk about guns, abortion, gay rights, etc. as a clear distraction from what the public percieves as the key issues - government pervasiveness and economic policy.

Just think: Medicare has been an albatross for Republicans for as long as I can remember - this year, they are seeing success actually running on its preservation due to Obamacare. The war is practically a non-issue, special social interest groups' ads are getting laughed at, a neocon/libertarian/religious talk radio host attracts more people to a rally in DC than 400 Big Labor organizations COMBINED....

In my analysis, this can pretty much be laid squarely at the feet of Barack Obama. He miscalculated greatly by overpromising and underdelivering - excessively. His stimulus package is an abject failure - by his OWN STANDARDS (remember his unemployment promise?). Obamacare was a time bomb just starting to explode as people are beginning to see their new annual insurance policies coming in - higher premiums, lower coverage, AND a trillion dollar overhead cost to taxpayers. People are beginning to wonder why public sector employees and unions aren't facing the same drop offs, except they resent paying for public sector jobs and are watching the typical union become impotent in the face of high unemployment.

Personally, I can't help but be excited by this as this seems to be ushering a new era of government accountability for the way our tax dollars are spent. People are paying attention - perhaps that is one benefit of a slow economy.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Personally, I can't help but be excited by this as this seems to be ushering a new era of government accountability for the way our tax dollars are spent. People are paying attention - perhaps that is one benefit of a slow economy.

Doubtful. Voters are fickle and have very short memories. This is lip service being paid by candidates to a passing fad, nothing more.

Honestly, in every other election in my lifetime I would agree with you. But to be honest, I think change is a-comin'.

Feeling hopey changey.....just like some mugs in the last round.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Doubtful. Voters are fickle and have very short memories. This is lip service being paid by candidates to a passing fad, nothing more.

I disagree. Short memories in good times, yes. In bad times, any misstep the party in power has ever taken comes back to haunt them.

Besides, I should've been more clear - I'm not suggesting a major change in the way politicians approach the nation's issues but rather a major change in which the voters approach the politicians. We are already seeing this.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well some may be too lazy, but not most.Esp this cycle!

That motivation seems to be eroding, according to today's ABC News/Washington Post poll:

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/ab...ry?id=11798478

There's no way that I'm going to claim that Team R has packed up and gone home. However, I think that the evidence is going to begin to mount that the R's will pick up seats, but it won't be the slam dunk that talk radio and Fox News are heralding.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

America was never a Democracy anyway, we are a Constitutional Republic .

I pointed that out early in the thread and was told it was a old talking point.

I repsonded it was so old that it went back to 1787. One has to understand that this point flies in the face of liberal / progessive policy and by their pont of view, must be killed.