Bush tax cut analysis

Aramike · 09-28-10, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Yes they are. Without them a government can't exist. But creating taxes just to soak the rich is an abuse of the reason governments exist in the first place. You can argue the value of helping others all you like, but forcing someone else to fulfill a moral obligation as you see it is abuse, no matter how you sugarcoat it.

By whose standard? Taxes exist so government can function. Anything more than that is an attempt to legislate your personal morality, pure-and-simple.

That statement makes no sense. You making "5,000" what? If you only make $5000 per year you pay no taxes. I know a guy who gets a huge tax break because of his nine kids. The people who prudently decided to help the population problem by having none have to pay for their schooling. Right? Wrong?

The problem with money isn't this country isn't the bloated individuals with "too much money" - it's the bloated government that keeps spending other people's money to expand its own wasteline (and yes, I misspelled that intentionally).

Yes, taxes are necessary. But they are still a necessary evil, and until you see it that way you will continue to think that government is the answer to all our problems, when in fact it is the creator of most of them.

Oh, man - excellent post Steve!

August · 09-28-10, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Oh, man - excellent post Steve!

+1 !

Takeda Shingen · 09-28-10, 03:02 PM

As a related anecdote, I have always found the class warfare endorsed by the Left to be just as repugnant as the ethnocentric fear endorsed by the Right.

09-28-10, 03:43 PM

When the government asks for personal property (money) it is deemed necessary. If a person asks the same question it is deemed a crime.

mookiemookie · 09-28-10, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

When the government asks for personal property (money) it is deemed necessary. If a person asks the same question it is deemed a crime.

If you don't want to live in a society, you can move to someplace without a functioning central government like Somalia.

August · 09-28-10, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If you don't want to live in a society, you can move to someplace without a functioning central government like Somalia.

And another +1 !

Sailor Steve · 09-28-10, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

When the government asks for personal property (money) it is deemed necessary. If a person asks the same question it is deemed a crime.

And likewise when the government spends money it can't repay it is applauded for going and taking it from people who still have some. If you or I do the same they applaud the people who come and arrest us.

Oberon · 09-28-10, 07:14 PM

The difference between the rich and the poor is that the rich can move to the Virgin Islands, or Jersey or the UAE or at the very least move their money around. The poor often don't have that luxury, they are static cash flows which makes them easier to extract funds from than the rich who can be adept at hiding it. By rich, of course, I mean those with six figure salaries, the extremely rich, the kind of people that most people think of when the terms 'fat cat' get thrown around.

Eh, capitalism is an awkward thing, some places it works, others it doesn't, and it depends on how you look at it really. No way that everyone is going to be treated the same, not on this planet, not in any of our lifetimes, so you just have to live within the system you live in. Grass isn't always greener...after all, look what happened after Lenin.

09-28-10, 03:02 PM	#3
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	As a related anecdote, I have always found the class warfare endorsed by the Left to be just as repugnant as the ethnocentric fear endorsed by the Right.

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The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	When the government asks for personal property (money) it is deemed necessary. If a person asks the same question it is deemed a crime.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The difference between the rich and the poor is that the rich can move to the Virgin Islands, or Jersey or the UAE or at the very least move their money around. The poor often don't have that luxury, they are static cash flows which makes them easier to extract funds from than the rich who can be adept at hiding it. By rich, of course, I mean those with six figure salaries, the extremely rich, the kind of people that most people think of when the terms 'fat cat' get thrown around. Eh, capitalism is an awkward thing, some places it works, others it doesn't, and it depends on how you look at it really. No way that everyone is going to be treated the same, not on this planet, not in any of our lifetimes, so you just have to live within the system you live in. Grass isn't always greener...after all, look what happened after Lenin.