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Originally Posted by razark

Very well, then. Atheism is a religion.

And bald is a hair color. Not collecting stamps is a hobby.

I see you have difficulty equating belief with religion. OK. What do you think religion is if not belief.

[antikristuseke]

You need to take some logic courses. Just because all religions are beliefs, not all beliefs are religions.

[razark]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I see you have difficulty equating belief with religion. OK. What do you think religion is if not belief.

Religion is a set of beliefs regarding the nature of the universe, of a supernatural nature.

Atheism is a lack of belief.

Look up. You see that tiny little dot? That's the point passing way over your head.

Lets take the argument that atheism is not a religion. I think it is a religion.

The US Constitution protects its citizens from government intervention into religion, if athiests claim to have no religion, then what protects their 'non-religion' from being curtailed, if not persecuted within the law?

[antikristuseke]

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. Persecuting someone because they are religious is the same as persecuting someone who isn't.

Edit: If atheism is a religion, what are its doctrines?

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. Persecuting someone because they are religious is the same as persecuting someone who isn't.

Edit: If atheism is a religion, what are its doctrines?

'From' and 'of 'are two different words with two different meanings. You know it and everyone else does also. If the wrong folks come to power those who claim no religion are in trouble. Better to be agnostic.

Atheism is the laziest of all religions. Athiests believe in nothing but themselves and the non-existance of a God. How convienent! But like all religions they have no proof of the existance or non-existance of God.

Atheism is base on a faith that there is no God.

[razark]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Athiests believe in nothing but themselves and the non-existance of a God. How convienent!

I believe in quite a few things. None of those things are god, and quite a few of them are not myself.

And, atheism is not a religion any more than not believing in unicorns is a religion.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

'From' and 'of 'are two different words with two different meanings. You know it and everyone else does also. If the wrong folks come to power those who claim no religion are in trouble.

Atheism is the laziest of all religions. Athiests believe in nothing but themselves and the non-existance of a God. How convienent! But like all religions they have no proof of the existance or non-existance of God.

Atheism is base on faith.

Learn to troll.

[QUOTE=antikristuseke;1504329]Learn to troll.


Says you. If your argument fails name calling ensuse.

'Troll' cannot save you from poor logic.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Atheism is the laziest of all religions. Athiests believe in nothing but themselves and the non-existance of a God.

What about the analysis the the creation of the universe from a rational scientific perspective? I "believe" in that.

Not all Atheists care about the mechanics of it. But do all Christians care about the mechanics of their creation myth? When God "Created the Heavens and the Earth" was it by mechanical, physiological or telekinetic means? No they don't just as not all Atheists care whether or not the Big Bang was 0.0 x 10^00 Joules or 3.0 x 10^69 Joules or even if there was one to begin with.

[Sailor Steve]

Science cannot prove that we are here by either chance or design, but the scientific evidence can be used to support one or the other.

The problem with that is that science doesn't try to prove that we are here by chance. Science only looks at evidence and creates postulates based on the evidence. Using science to support chance or design is no longer science, but belief.

It is only fair that evidence supporting intelligent design be presented to students alongside of evolutionary theory. No one is being forced to believe in God so there's no real violation of separation of church and state.

Evolution theory is based on an appraisal of the evidence, and what it shows. Any decent scientist knows that his favorite theory might be proved wrong at any time, and most are ready to start over again should that happen.

Intelligent design is based solely on preconcieved belief based on "Sacred Scriptures", and is solely intended to back up what the Bible says. No believer in Intelligent Design is willing to admit the remotest possibility that he might be wrong. His sole purpose is to see his belief taught no matter how many times he has to change the name or how underhanded he has to be to prove his "truth". The argument presented here, as with most Intelligent Design arguments, isn't based on any real evidence, but on "proving" that the theory of Natural Origin is false. They seem to believe that if they can just do that then the only alternative left is the one they devoutly believe.

I've met (and read the works of) hardcore atheists who do indeed treat their belief as if it were a religion. They are loud but relatively rare. Most atheists are, as described, people who don't see evidence so don't believe. Show them some real evidence and they just might surprise you.

Unfortunately there isn't any.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Atheism is base on a faith that there is no God.

AS it has been allready explained to you twice, no it is not, repeating the same falsehood will not make it true. Atheism is a lack of faith in a god or gods, it makes no claim that there is no god.
It is obvious that you are trolling, the only reason I am replying to your nonsense is because I have nothing better to do at work.
So far you have not even used logic in your arguments, all you have are a bunch of non sequiturs. And of course if the wrong people come to power and turn the US into a theocracy atheists will be in trouble, that goes without saying, but so will people who are the wrong denomination or religion.

[Diopos]

And to paraphrase Sherlock Holmes:
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be God.”

Religion is about belief.
Science is about corroboration.
These are two different hobbies!


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[Moeceefus]

Ah religion. The oldest scare tactic of kingdoms past. Code of law for the masses. Salvation for the subservient.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

What about the analysis the the creation of the universe from a rational scientific perspective? I "believe" in that.

Not all Atheists care about the mechanics of it. But do all Christians care about the mechanics of their creation myth? When God "Created the Heavens and the Earth" was it by mechanical, physiological or telekinetic means? No they don't just as not all Atheists care whether or not the Big Bang was 0.0 x 10^00 Joules or 3.0 x 10^69 Joules or even if there was one to begin with.

Again faith is not bound by science as atheism wants its faith to be. The original post shows how flawed the scientific model of their belief is.

When confronted with that reality denial of science ensues to be replaced by 'belief' which is also abandoned when it is pointed out religion is the same as belief.

This makes me think they are agnostic, not atheist.