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Old 09-28-10, 04:02 PM   #1
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The finite end of my camera lens (me) can not figure out infinite end of my lens (God)
Which means that you don't really know that the infinite end is God, or even whether it's infinite. If we can't figure it out, then we're just guessing.
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Old 09-28-10, 02:49 PM   #2
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Sorry if I confused. If you cannot observe the action directly the theory has no value. Einstien, and all real science depends on this. That which cannot be directly observed is not science,
For something to be science, you don't have to be able to directly observe it. Take Quantum Mechanics, nobody has ever seen electrons and such. Or maths. Ever "seen" a function? Nope, the most you see are some characters or a graph describing one.
Science is witnessing events, and then developing a theory behind it. It doesn't have to be able to be directly observed.

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Whithout direct observation science fails. Thus atheism fails unless it is itsself a religion.
Of course not. Atheists witness the same events as believers. They only have different explanations for things. Believers think "I can't explain X so it must be caused by a god", whereas none-believers think "I can't explain X so I'll wait until I can".

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Sounds like religion. Christanity,Judaism, Muslim, Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, Sihkism, Cao Dai , etc; are all statements about belief.
Nope, Atheism is a belief, not a religion. As an atheist you do belief something (namely that there are no gods), but atheism can't be a religion because it has no god.
To get things even more complicated, I consider myself a religious atheist (I'm a Germanic Paganist, but I don't belief the gods really exist as living beings).
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Old 09-28-10, 02:57 PM   #3
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Nope, Atheism is a belief, not a religion. As an atheist you do belief something (namely that there are no gods), but atheism can't be a religion because it has no god.
To get things even more complicated, I consider myself a religious atheist (I'm a Germanic Paganist, but I don't belief the gods really exist as living beings).
Technically, atheism is the lack of belief. Belief, as I had said earlier, is the reliance on existential claim for validity. Atheism, by definition, does not rely on such claims and as such is not belief. So, what you have said about atheism not being a religion is certainly true, but for different reasons according to philisophical taxonomy.
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