Unsolved History: Conspiracies to Kill Hitler

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Diopos

Depends on "when". After Stalingrad strategic "common sense" points toward seeking a """negociated""" endgame while you still have an army (so as to avoid an "unconditional surrender").

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Yep, I was thinking the same thing. There came a point where any military coup that did away with Hitler would have been motivated by a desire to end the war on the most favorable terms possible, not do a better job fighting it and thus prolong it until victory was achieved. In fact I'd be hard put to believe there was any serious support for a coup within the military except for the express purpose of getting Hitler out of the way to facilitate negotiations with the Allies (or at least the Brits and Americans).

[Sailor Steve]

Given the way it turned out, maybe the entire war was a conspiracy to kill Hitler.

And Roosevelt.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Given the way it turned out, maybe the entire war was a conspiracy to kill Hitler.

On some deep unconscious psychological level, you may be right when it comes to Herr Hitler. Dude had issues and was able to play them out on the grandest of scales... most people who hate life and living that much, don't get the opportunity to bring half the world crashing down around them as an excuse to put an end to their own misery.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Given the way it turned out, maybe the entire war was a conspiracy to kill Hitler.

And Roosevelt.

don't forget Mussolini... and Tojo... and Boris III and Prince Kiril... and Tiso... and Szalasi... and Petain... and Antonescu...

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Given the way it turned out, maybe the entire war was a conspiracy to kill Hitler.

And Roosevelt.

[Diopos]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Yep, I was thinking the same thing. There came a point where any military coup that did away with Hitler would have been motivated by a desire to end the war on the most favorable terms possible, not do a better job fighting it and thus prolong it until victory was achieved. In fact I'd be hard put to believe there was any serious support for a coup within the military except for the express purpose of getting Hitler out of the way to facilitate negotiations with the Allies (or at least the Brits and Americans).

Something along that line.
And finding a "new role" for Germany as a guardian against the """communist tide""".

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[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Diopos

Something along that line.
And finding a "new role" for Germany as a guardian against the """communist tide""".

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Yes, wasn't that one of the things they hoped they could pull off - a separate peace with the western Allies, allowing them to focus their efforts on the Russian front? Meanwhile hoping that then the US and UK would withdraw from alliance with the USSR. I think they really believed that getting Hitler out of the way would take unconditional surrender to the Allies in toto off the table and they would have the chance to call at least a few of the shots.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Yes, wasn't that one of the things they hoped they could pull off - a separate peace with the western Allies, allowing them to focus their efforts on the Russian front? Meanwhile hoping that then the US and UK would withdraw from alliance with the USSR. I think they really believed that getting Hitler out of the way would take unconditional surrender to the Allies in toto off the table and they would have the chance to call at least a few of the shots.

The major flaw there was the fact that not only did they hope the UK and US would withdraw from their alliance with the USSR but also join with the Germans in fighting the USSR.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The major flaw there was the fact that not only did they hope the UK and US would withdraw from their alliance with the USSR but also join with the Germans in fighting the USSR.

Yeah, exactly... not sure what they were thinking. Maybe something along the lines of "we broke our pact with the Soviets, and so will everybody else."