DREAM Act, more like the NIGHTMARE Act

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

The republicans voted against the military bill making their vote anti-military anti-gay and anti-immigrant at the same time.

Democrats will POUND the republicans with that. There is no defense.. No reason. The thugs knew what they were doing and the ads will show it.

Oh I can see the ads now. When democrats go on the offensive they will show America just how insanely right the Republican party under Sarah Palin has become. Thugs claim "moderate" which is laughable considering their most moderate showing "John McCain" went down the drain when they forced him to go further right to appease the nutjobs.

This vote against the Military will haunt repubs this year.

LOL how can you say that? really?

This was a vote against the attached amendments that should be brought up as their own bill, not piggybacking in to try and force votes.Bravo to the Republicans and Dems who voted against this garbage.

DADT is a good policy and is not bout being anti gay but is about morale which is very important.Everyone I talk to in the military is for the policy.Of course Liberals who know nothing about the military(most of them) are for it because they think the military a good place to try out social engineering.Simple, keep your sex life to yourself and no problem.People know what the policy is when they join, they dont like it, shouldnt have joined.Of course groups always think the rule don't apply to them and that everyone should cater to them


The DREAM Act provides amnesty and should never be enacted.They deserve nothing but a trip to their country of origin.

[Zachstar]

You must have hated bush with glee when he proposed his plan for immigration.

DADT is on it's way out. That is not social engineering that is reality. And it is silly for you to say that considering that Clinton was the one who enacted it.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

You must have hated bush with glee when he proposed his plan for immigration.

DADT is on it's way out. That is not social engineering that is reality. And it is silly for you to say that considering that Clinton was the one who enacted it.

I was quite angry with Bush over his proposed policy.

DADT is not as dead as some may think.The policy is about morale.

Clinton enacted the policy as a compromise and I actually approve of that. DADT is a good thing.Morale issue not a civil rights issue.Military is different than civ world.If a civ employer tried to have a DADT policy, I would be against it but military is different.

[Zachstar]

They said the exact same things about African Americans in the military...

[ETR3(SS)]

On the bit about college education, when you enlist you have the option of signing up for the Montgomery GI Bill and it was $50k when I joined and has gone up a little since. Also going off the top of my head here, Congress approved additional educational funding called the Post 9/11 something or other that added an addition $100k of educational funding. I think I still have the info about it here somewhere.

So if an immigrant joins the military (thank you TLAM btw for that info) they are pretty much already getting what Mr. Reid is pushing. So why is this such a big deal? Something stinks and I think it's coming from Mr. Reid.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

On the bit about college education, when you enlist you have the option of signing up for the Montgomery GI Bill and it was $50k when I joined and has gone up a little since. Also going off the top of my head here, Congress approved additional educational funding called the Post 9/11 something or other that added an addition $100k of educational funding. I think I still have the info about it here somewhere.

So if an immigrant joins the military (thank you TLAM btw for that info) they are pretty much already getting what Mr. Reid is pushing. So why is this such a big deal? Something stinks and I think it's coming from Mr. Reid.

The DREAM Act was to give any illegal immigrant who graduated high school and graduated college, amnesty.The illegal could not pay for college I am sure so would go on grants etc paid for by the government on in state tuition taking a legal citizen's place at a college then get amnesty? Beyond screwed up

OR they could join the military, then get all the benefits plus college when they are out.Equally screwed up.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

They said the exact same things about African Americans in the military...

Seriously? That is different.Race and sexual preference are two entirely different things.

I assume you are comparing the intergration of the Armed Forces to homosexuals in the military correct?

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Seriously? That is different.Race and sexual preference are two entirely different things.

I assume you are comparing the intergration of the Armed Forces to homosexuals in the military correct?

No they are not completely different. It was called a morale issue back then. "What about the Morale of white men being forced to call a black man his battle buddy or co-pilot or gunner?"

It is the same as today. Pretending that all the sudden that gays will be overflowing in the military or if military men and women will worry more about if their battle buddy is focused on his/her's rear rather than protecting both of theirs.

To be honest it is downright disgusting how our forces are portrayed. After integration before it was not long before people of different races trusted each other with their lives. Saying that suddenly wont happen with DADT repealed is just insulting.

Seriously? That is different.Race and sexual preference are two entirely different things.

Not at all, race and sexual preference are both things small minded bigots discriminate over.