My first real contact and first real sinking!

Well I had recieved orders from BDU that all merchants were fair game. but yeah those destroyers tore me up. I had no where to go and not enough crew to do anything repair wise, so I got stuck 30 m deep on the bottom with no propulsion and a few crew members dead. I wish you could launch crew members out of the torpedoe tube like in U 571

Yet the americans still eventually helped win the war

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

No problem. Just corrected wrong info. As a Pole I'm sensitive to such details. People like to forget where and when it started. For Russians "WW2 started on June 22nd 1941", for Americans it started on Pearl Harbour, for British/French on September 3rd... (also Americans like to forget that they didn't declare war on Axis or Germany - it's Germany that declared war on the US). Details are important in history.

[CherryHarbey]

Originally Posted by USNSRCaseySmith

Oh I was, and it wasnt pretty. the post below explains it. but I tried to get out of the area quietly. and something happenend either I hit ground and it damaged me to surface or somethign but the destroyers hit me and came after me . long story short, I was at the bottom of about 30 M deep water, with no propulsion at all. I survived one depth charge run and another killed me. depressing Well Hats off to the british navy for killing me. However if I HAD ()set my torpedoes to the right depth, it could be a different story now. Mistake learned from

nice one with the first sinking, shame about destroyer getting you.
with regards to lessons learnt, if you're after an all-action game then yes the lesson is: destroyers have shallower drafts than merchants and you need to set your magnetic pistol torps to run shallower. however if you are after a more realistic game then the lesson is: don't mess with warships in shallow water.
it's your game, play it your way but if it was me, I'm not sure I would have attacked at all in that depth of water. if I did it would have been at quite a long range, so I could escape before the torps hit (or were spotted)

Well I didnt know any better soo..... and what is considered long range? I figured 3 KM would be a long enough range but I assume as long as Im at a 90 and I can see the ship in my scopes that I could fire torps from 10km out of I wanted?

Originally Posted by CherryHarbey

nice one with the first sinking, shame about destroyer getting you.
with regards to lessons learnt, if you're after an all-action game then yes the lesson is: destroyers have shallower drafts than merchants and you need to set your magnetic pistol torps to run shallower. however if you are after a more realistic game then the lesson is: don't mess with warships in shallow water.
it's your game, play it your way but if it was me, I'm not sure I would have attacked at all in that depth of water. if I did it would have been at quite a long range, so I could escape before the torps hit (or were spotted)

[CherryHarbey]

I wasn't being critical, the only reason I know of the hazards of shallow water is because I stupidily lost many boats trying to be a hero and decided to change my style.
different torps after different ranges, not sure any go as far as 10km. you can check on the sub management screen before you start your patrol. the one where you can selct different types of torps will give you the speeds and ranges of each type.
you may have got away at 3km but say on another thread you turned and ran. so you may have given yourself away by being too noisy.
But 30m of water is really shallow and unforgiving, so even if I think I could attack sucessfully 9 times out of 10, that tenth time is likely to result in death so I'm not going to attack.
But that's just me and the way I like to play, I'm not saying that's how you should be playing, the only right way to play is your way.

I wasnt saying you were bein critical just didnt know what to put after sooo lol, I should have not attacked the Destroyers and saved my torps for a nice merchant but oh well.

[CherryHarbey]

okay, no problem.
can be tricky when we are conversing in text to get across the tone of what you're saying. I re-read my first repsonse and thought it could come across a bit preachy (which wasn't intended) so if you had got that sense from it, I would try to correct.

Nada besides Im open to critiscm. Especially if helps me to not get my 29 man crew killed Seeing as how Im using GWX is it possible that instead of going to my patrol grid I can just find an enemy port with shipping going to it and park my uboat underwater like 10km out and just hit plenty of targets as they go in and out?? I want to get some really nice tonnage sunk for once before being sunk.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by JokerOfFate

So what happens if I sink a ship before the war and end the patrol after it started is it a neutral or allied unit?

For one thing, if you a attack a ship from a nation with which Germany is not currently at war, that nation will consider you an enemy for the following 24 hours and other vessels from that nation, if armed, will attack you without further provocation for the duration of your day-long "private war" with them.

This is true no matter what in-game date you're playing, not just in August 1939. So if you attack a US ship prior to December 11 1941, the US will consider itself at war with you - not with Germany, but with you personally - for the next 24 hours.

As far as nations changing their allegiance or status before you finish a patrol... I think you are going to gain or lose renown according to what the nation's status was at the time you sank one of their ships, not how things stand with them once you finally return to base. I'm not entirely sure about that, so maybe someone who is can give a definitive answer. It's possible that for "scoring" purposes things are tallied up only when the patrol is finished, but my gut feeling is that if you sink a US ship on Dec 1 1941 and return to base on Dec 14, it's still going to count as a neutral beacuse it was neutral at the time you attacked it.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

As far as nations changing their allegiance or status before you finish a patrol... I think you are going to gain or lose renown according to what the nation's status was at the time you sank one of their ships, not how things stand with them once you finally return to base. I'm not entirely sure about that, so maybe someone who is can give a definitive answer. It's possible that for "scoring" purposes things are tallied up only when the patrol is finished, but my gut feeling is that if you sink a US ship on Dec 1 1941 and return to base on Dec 14, it's still going to count as a neutral beacuse it was neutral at the time you attacked it.

Aye

Lesson learned. Before 3.SEP.39, just wave to the nice britts, and they won't sink you.

[Gerald]

Go to Dover, and have a beer and look out over the white seagulls everlasting mountains, as reflected in the beautiful horizon hours, where we all sometime collectors to remember that it was!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Go to Dover, and have a beer and look out over the white seagulls everlasting mountains, as reflected in the beautiful horizon hours, where we all sometime collectors to remember that it was!

You've totaly lost me on the above, there are no mountains in the south of England....re-programme the translator

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

You've totaly lost me on the above, there are no mountains in the south of England....re-programme the translator

and of course there are mountains, especially when you are sitting in a bar and gather strength to go and pee, that just when you are right drunk,and it is like watching a mountain because you find it difficult to trip too the toilet,this is like a mountain

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by Vendor

and of course there are mountains, especially when you are sitting in a bar and gather strength to go and pee, that just when you are right drunk,and it is like watching a mountain because you find it difficult to trip too the toilet,this is like a mountain

I think you should come up for air. Sounds like a severe case of CO2 poisoning!

All that I can think of that he might mean are 'the white cliffs of Dover', ... but they weren't made by seagulls on a trip to the toilet.