My first real contact and first real sinking!

[Abd_von_Mumit]

Originally Posted by Pisces

Ehm, you do realise that the war hasn't started yet, right! It didn't start until september 3rd 1939. Nevertheless, congratulations on getting the steel on target.

WW2 started on September 1st, with German and Slovakian attack on Poland. On September 3rd France and Great Britain (plus colonies) declare war upon Germany, thus honouring military alliance with Poland. On September 17th Russia attacks Poland (thus honouring treaty with Germany) - which finally decides the fall of Poland a month later.

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

WW2 started on September 1st, with German attack on Poland. On September 3rd France and Great Britain (plus colonies) declare war upon Germany, thus honouring military alliance with Poland. September 17th Russians attack Poland (thus honouring treaty with Germany) - which finally decides the fall of Poland a month later.

My apologies, you are right. I was thinking of him going into the north sea. There he wouldn't have much trouble until the 3rd.

[Abd_von_Mumit]

Originally Posted by Pisces

My apologies, you are right. I was thinking of him going into the north sea. There he wouldn't have much trouble until the 3rd.

No problem. Just corrected wrong info. As a Pole I'm sensitive to such details. People like to forget where and when it started. For Russians "WW2 started on June 22nd 1941", for Americans it started on Pearl Harbour, for British/French on September 3rd... (also Americans like to forget that they didn't declare war on Axis or Germany - it's Germany that declared war on the US). Details are important in history.

Yet the americans still eventually helped win the war

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

No problem. Just corrected wrong info. As a Pole I'm sensitive to such details. People like to forget where and when it started. For Russians "WW2 started on June 22nd 1941", for Americans it started on Pearl Harbour, for British/French on September 3rd... (also Americans like to forget that they didn't declare war on Axis or Germany - it's Germany that declared war on the US). Details are important in history.

[JokerOfFate]

So what happens if I sink a ship before the war and end the patrol after it started is it a neutral or allied unit?

Well I had recieved orders from BDU that all merchants were fair game. but yeah those destroyers tore me up. I had no where to go and not enough crew to do anything repair wise, so I got stuck 30 m deep on the bottom with no propulsion and a few crew members dead. I wish you could launch crew members out of the torpedoe tube like in U 571

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by JokerOfFate

So what happens if I sink a ship before the war and end the patrol after it started is it a neutral or allied unit?

For one thing, if you a attack a ship from a nation with which Germany is not currently at war, that nation will consider you an enemy for the following 24 hours and other vessels from that nation, if armed, will attack you without further provocation for the duration of your day-long "private war" with them.

This is true no matter what in-game date you're playing, not just in August 1939. So if you attack a US ship prior to December 11 1941, the US will consider itself at war with you - not with Germany, but with you personally - for the next 24 hours.

As far as nations changing their allegiance or status before you finish a patrol... I think you are going to gain or lose renown according to what the nation's status was at the time you sank one of their ships, not how things stand with them once you finally return to base. I'm not entirely sure about that, so maybe someone who is can give a definitive answer. It's possible that for "scoring" purposes things are tallied up only when the patrol is finished, but my gut feeling is that if you sink a US ship on Dec 1 1941 and return to base on Dec 14, it's still going to count as a neutral beacuse it was neutral at the time you attacked it.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

As far as nations changing their allegiance or status before you finish a patrol... I think you are going to gain or lose renown according to what the nation's status was at the time you sank one of their ships, not how things stand with them once you finally return to base. I'm not entirely sure about that, so maybe someone who is can give a definitive answer. It's possible that for "scoring" purposes things are tallied up only when the patrol is finished, but my gut feeling is that if you sink a US ship on Dec 1 1941 and return to base on Dec 14, it's still going to count as a neutral beacuse it was neutral at the time you attacked it.

Aye

Lesson learned. Before 3.SEP.39, just wave to the nice britts, and they won't sink you.

[Gerald]

Go to Dover, and have a beer and look out over the white seagulls everlasting mountains, as reflected in the beautiful horizon hours, where we all sometime collectors to remember that it was!

[the.terrabyte.pirate]

Originally Posted by JokerOfFate

So what happens if I sink a ship before the war and end the patrol after it started is it a neutral or allied unit?

If the Germans lose, you'll be seen as violating the sacred laws of war.

If the Germans win, you'll be seen as being pro-active.

Unfortunately for you, the Germans have a habit of losing....