Banned from US for Email..

TLAM Strike · 09-15-10, 06:30 PM

Just imagine if they kicked out all the Americans who have said nasty things about Obama! We lose 3/4 of the population!

Castout · 09-15-10, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Just imagine if they kicked out all the Americans who have said nasty things about Obama! We lose 3/4 of the population!

But they didn't send hate email to the white house

TLAM Strike · 09-15-10, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

But they didn't send hate email to the white house

Not everyone in the US knows how to use a computer... and not everyone can write a real letter... the ones that can do both go work for Fox News...

Castout · 09-15-10, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Not everyone in the US knows how to use a computer... and not everyone can write a real letter... the ones that can do both go work for Fox News...

Platapus · 09-15-10, 08:01 PM

First of all, I seriously doubt that President Obama made this decision.

Second, the government takes threats against our President pretty seriously and they should.

Banning him from entering the country sounds more like a State Department decision. I think that is a bit harsh, but then we don't know what the threats were. I would imagine that if he did come in to our country he might have company in the form of a tail and if he is really a threat he might find himself invited to "The 400" club.

Castout · 09-15-10, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

First of all, I seriously doubt that President Obama made this decision.

Second, the government takes threats against our President pretty seriously and they should.

Yeah I too doubt it was Obama who made the decision. I don't think he even read the email.

Jimbuna · 09-16-10, 06:31 AM

So what's the chances of the next POTUS taking the opportunity of some positive media coverage and granting him a presidential pardon?

Bilge_Rat · 09-16-10, 09:15 AM

A lifetime ban may seem excessive, but is actually the only appropriate response.

First of all, remember that only US citizens have a constitutionally garanteed right to enter US territory. For everyone else, it is a privilege which can be denied at any time. There are hundreds of millions of persons around the world who will never, ever be let in to the USA because of where they were born.

Now lets look at it from the US government's point of view. We don't know what the email said but we can assume it was serious enough to pique the interest of the Secret Service. The White House receives thousands of emails every day criticizing President Obama's policies. The WH staff can tell the difference between venting and potential threat.

From the Secret Service's point of view, you have to wonder about the mental stability of a foreigner who sends a threatening email to the President. His age means nothing. Omar Khadr is presently on trial in Guantanamo for a murder he is alleged to have committed when he was 15. Many suicide bombers are teenagers. From the Secret service's point of view, the solution is simple. He may or may not be a threat, but why take a chance. They are overworked and understaffed as is. It is easier to just ban him for life.

Now, let's assume a lifetime ban is excessive and that a stern warning, a 1 year or 5 year ban may be more appropriate, the question becomes who makes the decision? The US is governed by the rule of law and there would have to be a tribunal set up with an arbitrator or administrative judge to make the decision. Investigators would have to be pulled from the Secret Service or INS to investigate the facts. A prosecutor would have to present the evidence, all funded by the US taxpayer.

If you go that route, it would also mean that a foreigner who sends a threatening email to the President would have more rights than the hundreds of millions of persons who happen to be living in the wrong country. That is not exactly the kind of message you want to send to all the crazies out there.

So we are back to square one. You are foreigner who wants to threaten the President of the USA? fine, but don't expect to ever be allowed on US soil. If you think that is harsh, try threatening the President of Russia or China and see how they react.

09-16-10, 12:41 PM

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A lifetime ban may seem excessive, but is actually the only appropriate response.

First of all, remember that only US citizens have a constitutionally garanteed right to enter US territory. For everyone else, it is a privilege which can be denied at any time. There are hundreds of millions of persons around the world who will never, ever be let in to the USA because of where they were born.

Yep, I have seen people banned from entering the US for all sorts of little insignificant reasons, making threats isn't a little reason so the idiot should be grateful he wasn't prosecuted as well as being banned.

STEED · 09-16-10, 03:48 PM

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Luke Angel was reprimanded by police on both sides of the Atlantic after firing off a drunken message to the White House calling the president a "p****".

Assuming thats all he said, why the over top reaction?

Platapus · 09-16-10, 04:38 PM

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Assuming thats all he said, why the over top reaction?

I only worked with the USSS for a very short time (TDY). I don't think they would react that way if this is the only thing the E-mail contained.

09-15-10, 06:30 PM	#1
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Just imagine if they kicked out all the Americans who have said nasty things about Obama! We lose 3/4 of the population! __________________

09-15-10, 08:01 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,434 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	First of all, I seriously doubt that President Obama made this decision. Second, the government takes threats against our President pretty seriously and they should. Banning him from entering the country sounds more like a State Department decision. I think that is a bit harsh, but then we don't know what the threats were. I would imagine that if he did come in to our country he might have company in the form of a tail and if he is really a threat he might find himself invited to "The 400" club. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

09-16-10, 06:31 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,380 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	So what's the chances of the next POTUS taking the opportunity of some positive media coverage and granting him a presidential pardon? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-16-10, 09:15 AM	#8
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	A lifetime ban may seem excessive, but is actually the only appropriate response. First of all, remember that only US citizens have a constitutionally garanteed right to enter US territory. For everyone else, it is a privilege which can be denied at any time. There are hundreds of millions of persons around the world who will never, ever be let in to the USA because of where they were born. Now lets look at it from the US government's point of view. We don't know what the email said but we can assume it was serious enough to pique the interest of the Secret Service. The White House receives thousands of emails every day criticizing President Obama's policies. The WH staff can tell the difference between venting and potential threat. From the Secret Service's point of view, you have to wonder about the mental stability of a foreigner who sends a threatening email to the President. His age means nothing. Omar Khadr is presently on trial in Guantanamo for a murder he is alleged to have committed when he was 15. Many suicide bombers are teenagers. From the Secret service's point of view, the solution is simple. He may or may not be a threat, but why take a chance. They are overworked and understaffed as is. It is easier to just ban him for life. Now, let's assume a lifetime ban is excessive and that a stern warning, a 1 year or 5 year ban may be more appropriate, the question becomes who makes the decision? The US is governed by the rule of law and there would have to be a tribunal set up with an arbitrator or administrative judge to make the decision. Investigators would have to be pulled from the Secret Service or INS to investigate the facts. A prosecutor would have to present the evidence, all funded by the US taxpayer. If you go that route, it would also mean that a foreigner who sends a threatening email to the President would have more rights than the hundreds of millions of persons who happen to be living in the wrong country. That is not exactly the kind of message you want to send to all the crazies out there. So we are back to square one. You are foreigner who wants to threaten the President of the USA? fine, but don't expect to ever be allowed on US soil. If you think that is harsh, try threatening the President of Russia or China and see how they react. __________________