French Senate votes to ban Islamic full veil in public

Bubblehead1980 · 09-14-10, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

France's Senate has overwhelmingly approved a bill that would ban wearing the Islamic full veil in public.

The proposed measure was already backed by the lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, in July.

The ban will come into force in six months' time if it is not overturned by constitutional judges.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11305033

Note: 14 September 2010 Last updated at 17:51 GMT

For once, I approve of the French!

Gerald · 09-14-10, 08:40 PM

I agree with you,

Sailor Steve · 09-14-10, 08:48 PM

Good for them! We'll see how it works out.

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

For once, I approve of the French!

I've approved of them since 1778.

Bubblehead1980 · 09-14-10, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Good for them! We'll see how it works out.

I've approved of them since 1778.

Of course, how could I forget, ok well I approve of their move to support the colonies.They have aggravated me a bit over the years though.

I once told a man from France the joke "what is the first thing they teach you in the French Army?" "how to say I surrender in German"

Always loved that one.Everyone but him found it funny lol.

Sailor Steve · 09-14-10, 09:01 PM

The whole French-bashing thing started in 2003 when they refused to support us on the Iraq resolutions. I like the jokes, but I agree with their reasons and their decision.

AngusJS · 09-14-10, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The whole French-bashing thing started in 2003 when they refused to support us on the Iraq resolutions. I like the jokes, but I agree with their reasons and their decision.

Every time I hear one of these jokes, I think of Verdun. Those cheese-eating frogs sure did fold there, didn't they!

Seriously, these jokes were stale in 2003.

Regarding the OP - the government shouldn't prevent a woman from wearing a burqa, just as it shouldn't prevent a woman from wearing short shorts.

If someone is forcing a woman to wear a burqa, the woman should leave that person.

mookiemookie · 09-14-10, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS

Every time I hear one of these jokes, I think of Verdun. Those cheese-eating frogs sure did fold there, didn't they!

I think of:

Castout · 09-15-10, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The whole French-bashing thing started in 2003 when they refused to support us on the Iraq resolutions. I like the jokes, but I agree with their reasons and their decision.

True friend is not the one who always agree with you but who is daring enough to tell you what he thinks it's right even when you wouldn't like it.

As for the full veil ban I feel I must share my experience that a lot of time I found people wearing these full body black veil as kind of odd. I think it's just so extreme of them to cover everything that way.

I think some of them might have flirted with what's left of them: their eye contact (you know being young and seeing an attractive opposite sex which is just normal). . . .so if that's a sin then they might as well cover them too not so that we can't see them but so that they can't see us

The truth is imo they wear what they wear because of social pressure and that social pressure comes mainly from the men of the society. Kind of sad imo.

Alex · 09-15-10, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

For once, I approve of the French!

@ Sailor Steve : Taking Castout's post in consideration,

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Originally Posted by Castout

True friend is not the one who always agree with you but who is daring enough to tell you what he thinks it's right even when you wouldn't like it.

I must tell you in all honesty - yet friendly

- that those of us who're not conducting boot-licking foreign policy are still wondering what a part of our army is doing in the middle east, considering we already have problems with these people in HERE, in OUR country.

Tchocky · 09-15-10, 03:59 PM

I'm not sure. I don't like the idea of people being forced to wear a certain item of clothing. I fail to see how it is different in forcing them not to wear it.

I mean, intellectually I get the concept, but it's a little old-woman-who-swallowed-a-fly to me.

JU_88 · 09-15-10, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm not sure. I don't like the idea of people being forced to wear a certain item of clothing. I fail to see how it is different in forcing them not to wear it.

I mean, intellectually I get the concept, but it's a little old-woman-who-swallowed-a-fly to me.

+1 from me.
Though what dressing up as ninja has to do with the teachings of Mohammad is anybody's guess....
Makes me wonder what they will ban next though, Christian Crosses, jewish ringlets?
Imho it just opens up a whole new can of worms.

Bubblehead1980 · 09-15-10, 04:00 PM

Thing is was not the French telling us to not go in because they were being a friend, it was because they made money off the current Iraqi government and did not want us to upset that.The French government did it under the guise of "oh you are wrong my friend" blah blah. No loyalty towards the US is what we angered many at the French.

09-15-10, 04:45 PM

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Thing is was not the French telling us to not go in because they were being a friend, it was because they made money off the current Iraqi government and did not want us to upset that.The French government did it under the guise of "oh you are wrong my friend" blah blah. No loyalty towards the US is what we angered many at the French.

Wow, all these years after the disasterous folly in Iraq and someone still spouts the long discredited rubbish from long ago.
The biggest screw up in recent US foriegn policy and bubble seems to still not know it and instead spouts years old wingnut tripe that did the rounds on Rush Limbaugh.

Skybird · 09-15-10, 04:59 PM

Arguments pro burkha-ban:

It is the most visible evidence given in a person’s appearance that this person does not care for integrat-ing into the social and cultural rules of the hosting nation. This person has not the slightest intention to adapt to it’s new living environment’s rules and contexts. Every detail and aspect of this person’s tells all world that this persons right wants to do exactly the opposite: stay different, raise attention about it’s being-different, and that the others have to change and have to adapt to this person instead of the other way around. But I insist that to integrate and to adapt is the most important and mandatory duty of every immigrant.

Veils, headscarves and burkha are instrumentalised by pro-Islam camp as a weapon of political propa-ganda and confronting the local infidels in order to make them falling back one more small step. Our constant falling back should become a habit we get used to – that is the reason of their constant provoca-tion and also legal challenges over the most absurd things. And it works. German supermarkets for ex-ample are seriously considering to introduce a halal-ampel-seal for all food items being sold – not just in special shops, and not just for some specialised foot.

For professional reasons, on thankfully very rare occasions I had to deal with persons wearing burkhas directly, in a shopping mall here in this town. You simply do not feel comfortable, but confronted when needing to deal with such a person. And this although one should assume I was used to it from earlier travelling. But that was there. These situation now were here – and in their context both persons stood apart from the crowd as if they were bleeding from all body openings, or were totally naked.

The demand to wear a burkha or nikap or headscarf, is expression of the claim that women must obey and accept to live by rules made by male Muslims. @ Frau Kaleun, to say that fighting against this de-mand and not accepting it in our culture, is as oppressive as the original demand, because it does not leave them the freedom to wear what they want, is absurd. They are not free to wear what they want, even when after an adult’s life they are used to it from childhood on. In principle you say that enslaved people shall not be freed, because actually they may like to be slaves, or may be used to it. Actually, many of them are used to it indeed. And that is tragic and tells us something about the issue – just not the conclusions that you draw. Tolerance needs to know the limit beyond which it must stop to tolerate the intolerant, else it become the evil itself, and anyhow: gets overthrown and extinguished by the intol-erant.

Wearing Burkhas at higher (summer) temperatures, are a health hazard (like is the lack of moving and bad, fat food, both of which are major problems with women in many Muslim countries. Life expec-tancy of women in these countries is smaller. Cardiovascular problems and depressions are popular dis-eases of imprisoned women in Muslim countries. It is a social taboo to talk about that. In Egypt I once ended up very closely to a major physical confrontation when I stayed on that topic for too long).

To call the prevention of banning the burkha in our countries a declaration of war against women’s rights (I heared a feminist saying that)

without doubt is the most hilarious endgame of a perverted brain running amok I could imagine. That is like calling fighting against a slave trader and freeing the slaves a violation of their human right to be slaves.

Comments like this tell me how hopelessly beyond control our collective insanity already is. You can have a non-bleeding, intact brain – and still be a zombie.

Or it is a tiny worm that is moving into the brain, and once there starts to eat.

conus00 · 09-15-10, 05:01 PM

FINALLY somebody is getting the right ideas. Two thumbs up to French for breaking through the stupid "let's please minorities whatever it costs" bull**** policy.
Now, here is to hope that USA will adopt the same (and similar) policies. Soon!

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	I agree with you, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The whole French-bashing thing started in 2003 when they refused to support us on the Iraq resolutions. I like the jokes, but I agree with their reasons and their decision. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure. I don't like the idea of people being forced to wear a certain item of clothing. I fail to see how it is different in forcing them not to wear it. I mean, intellectually I get the concept, but it's a little old-woman-who-swallowed-a-fly to me. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,645 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Arguments pro burkha-ban: It is the most visible evidence given in a person’s appearance that this person does not care for integrat-ing into the social and cultural rules of the hosting nation. This person has not the slightest intention to adapt to it’s new living environment’s rules and contexts. Every detail and aspect of this person’s tells all world that this persons right wants to do exactly the opposite: stay different, raise attention about it’s being-different, and that the others have to change and have to adapt to this person instead of the other way around. But I insist that to integrate and to adapt is the most important and mandatory duty of every immigrant. Veils, headscarves and burkha are instrumentalised by pro-Islam camp as a weapon of political propa-ganda and confronting the local infidels in order to make them falling back one more small step. Our constant falling back should become a habit we get used to – that is the reason of their constant provoca-tion and also legal challenges over the most absurd things. And it works. German supermarkets for ex-ample are seriously considering to introduce a halal-ampel-seal for all food items being sold – not just in special shops, and not just for some specialised foot. For professional reasons, on thankfully very rare occasions I had to deal with persons wearing burkhas directly, in a shopping mall here in this town. You simply do not feel comfortable, but confronted when needing to deal with such a person. And this although one should assume I was used to it from earlier travelling. But that was there. These situation now were here – and in their context both persons stood apart from the crowd as if they were bleeding from all body openings, or were totally naked. The demand to wear a burkha or nikap or headscarf, is expression of the claim that women must obey and accept to live by rules made by male Muslims. @ Frau Kaleun, to say that fighting against this de-mand and not accepting it in our culture, is as oppressive as the original demand, because it does not leave them the freedom to wear what they want, is absurd. They are not free to wear what they want, even when after an adult’s life they are used to it from childhood on. In principle you say that enslaved people shall not be freed, because actually they may like to be slaves, or may be used to it. Actually, many of them are used to it indeed. And that is tragic and tells us something about the issue – just not the conclusions that you draw. Tolerance needs to know the limit beyond which it must stop to tolerate the intolerant, else it become the evil itself, and anyhow: gets overthrown and extinguished by the intol-erant. Wearing Burkhas at higher (summer) temperatures, are a health hazard (like is the lack of moving and bad, fat food, both of which are major problems with women in many Muslim countries. Life expec-tancy of women in these countries is smaller. Cardiovascular problems and depressions are popular dis-eases of imprisoned women in Muslim countries. It is a social taboo to talk about that. In Egypt I once ended up very closely to a major physical confrontation when I stayed on that topic for too long). To call the prevention of banning the burkha in our countries a declaration of war against women’s rights (I heared a feminist saying that) without doubt is the most hilarious endgame of a perverted brain running amok I could imagine. That is like calling fighting against a slave trader and freeing the slaves a violation of their human right to be slaves. Comments like this tell me how hopelessly beyond control our collective insanity already is. You can have a non-bleeding, intact brain – and still be a zombie. Or it is a tiny worm that is moving into the brain, and once there starts to eat. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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conus00 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: DB85 Posts: 804 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	FINALLY somebody is getting the right ideas. Two thumbs up to French for breaking through the stupid "let's please minorities whatever it costs" bull**** policy. Now, here is to hope that USA will adopt the same (and similar) policies. Soon! __________________

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Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,112 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Thing is was not the French telling us to not go in because they were being a friend, it was because they made money off the current Iraqi government and did not want us to upset that.The French government did it under the guise of "oh you are wrong my friend" blah blah. No loyalty towards the US is what we angered many at the French.