Whats the deal with weapons officer assistant, torpedoes?

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It's kind of a half-cheat. With Manual Targeting on, and WE Assistance on, you lock on to the target, then click his icon. Three new buttons pop up. Click the first one and he IDs the target. Click the second and he puts in all the information for you. Click the third and he takes the shot.

The good news is that it feels more real, since the solution is only good for that immediate moment, and quickly fades. The bad news is that he's just as accurate as auto targeting. Good news? No triangles. Bad news? The solution is instant and perfect, every time.

The only advantage I get out of it is that it feels better than full auto. I wish SH4 had it, and I wish it wasn't so perfect.

IIRC in the original SH even the auto had a percentage of accuracy meter. You could get a solution immediately, but the more time you spent locked onto the target the better the accuracy of the solution.

It would be nice to have something like that with the weapons officer assistance.

[Weiss Pinguin]

I used to play with Weps assist, but that was too arcadey for my tastes, turned convoy attacks into turkey shoots Now I play with full manual targeting, using the stock GWX interface.

[fastfed]

Did anyone possible make a Video tutorial for manual TDC control?

I have read some stuff, but like many I take to visuals much better..

I wouldn't mind giving it a try..


PS. THE TDC for the germans, was it the same as for the Americans?

I remember watching a show on youtube (Silent Service, its great by the way) and they stated how great it was when the got the TDC and how hard it was to invent and the guy who invented it was a genius.. So.. How did the Germans get this?

Was it better for the Americans or the Germans in terms of quality and technology ..

Thanks guys

[Capt. Morgan]

Originally Posted by fastfed

Did anyone possible make a Video tutorial for manual TDC control?

Go to the Skippers Bag of Tricks thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=146795) and have a look at Rockin Robins "Dick O'Kane Manual Targeting" vid. A very easy and accurate manual targeting method.

Then check out WernerSobe's excellent Basic and Advanced TDC/PK vids for a full, clear example of how to conduct a manual TDC attack.

Originally Posted by fastfed

... PS. THE TDC for the germans, was it the same as for the Americans? ...Was it better for the Americans or the Germans in terms of quality and technology ..

The targeting computers were different, and as to the nature of the differences, there are plenty of real experts here who can inform you better (and argue more entertainingly over which is superior) than I. That said, FWIW,...

The American one allowed the submarine to manoeuvre freely once the solution had been setup - and still maintain the solution (providing the target kept to its course and speed). In practice it required periodic updating (as it does in the game) to maintain an accurate solution over time. This was the "PK or Position Keeper".

The German computer lacked this capability. In-game, the German targeting computer has the AOB and Bearing settings locked together (Not sure about real life). This makes targeting multiple ships in one attack an almost "point and shoot" technique if the target is a convoy (all ships-same speed and course) and the attack is of the "fast 90" variety (range not a factor). I also find it less unwieldy than the American TDC for quick snap-shots.

[Tessa]

If you really want to get into manual targetting I'd suggest trying a different gui than the stock one, there's a number of others out there that while they don't give you the answer, make it quicker to get the information and don't require you to sit there with pencil and paper doing all the trigonometry yourself. Most of the manual gui's have the OLC as the foundation, and different functionality added or different panels shown on the attack scope/UZO. Would still keep the weps officer around unless you don't have any desire to try and take down escorts that are actively hunting you. Only way I've found to semi-reliably take out escorts in these situations is wait until they just pass the 300m range from you and fire a steam torpedo at max speed at em. Its just the minimum range needed for the torpedo to arm and with ~12-15 seconds most escorts can't change course enough to avoid getting hit somewhere; once the acoustic/homing torpedoes become available its a very good way of getting rid of them with a single shot about 7 times out of 10.

[K-61]

What does "OLC" mean? I keep seeing the term here but have no idea what it means.

[Capt. Morgan]

Originally Posted by K-61

What does "OLC" mean? I keep seeing the term here but have no idea what it means.

onelifecrisis, author of the OLC alternative GUI for SH3 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147667).

Many of the other GUI's are variations on OLC

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Kapt Z

IIRC in the original SH even the auto had a percentage of accuracy meter. You could get a solution immediately, but the more time you spent locked onto the target the better the accuracy of the solution.

It would be nice to have something like that with the weapons officer assistance.

And the further away you were or the worse the weather, the worse the solution became, so long shots were iffy even in auto.

[K-61]

Aces of the Deep was auto targeting only, but not 100% foolproof. The longer you locked on, the better the solution, but you could still miss even with an "ideal" setup. The accuracy of targeting was also affected by crew experience.

How does SH5 handle it?