Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Except that none dispute the Koran as their guide. The sects of islam have to do with the leader of the faith. Not the teachings of Islam or its laws under Sharia.

Christians, on the otherhand spend much time interpreting the Bible.

er.... say what ? 'Mormonism' anyone?
Long story short, Christianity and Islam have so much in common its not even funny.
Of the six major religions, those two are closest match by miles.
Ask any muslim worth his salt what he thinks about Jesus, go on I dare ya!
(You might just be very suprised by his answer.)

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I don't think there is any such thing as a 'moderate' muslim..

I'm afraid there is such a thing, I have met many living breathing examples.

Originally Posted by The Third Man

By the standard of the Koran you are either all in or all out. it is the perfect doctrine for criminals. Which is why it was written.

Sure.... whatever.

Originally Posted by JU_88

er.... say what ? 'Mormonism' anyone?
Long story short, Christianity and Islam have so much in common its not even funny.
Of the six major religions, those two are closest match by miles.
Ask any muslim worth his salt what he thinks about Jesus, go on I dare ya!
(You might just be very suprised by his answer.)


I'm afraid there is such a thing, I have met many living breathing examples.



o...k.... then....

How many jews have you met? The reason I ask is the Torah is part of the christian bible and none of the Koran is part of the Christian bible.

Based on that alone I'd say you are wrong.

[Gerald]

How many jews have you met? The reason I ask is the Torah is part of the christian bible and none of the Koran is part of the Christian bible.

I am sure that makes some sort of sense in some alternate reality.
But for us mere mortals on regular planet earth it looks like more nonsense from the third man.

I judge a religion by the official doctrine.

Which doctrine?
BTW Tater after saying its OK for people to marry two year old you never did set an age limit which would be OK for prophets.
Should a prophet go for double the acceptable and wait for 4 year olds?

[tater]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

How many jews have you met? The reason I ask is the Torah is part of the christian bible and none of the Koran is part of the Christian bible.

Based on that alone I'd say you are wrong.

Um, that's cause the koran came after. It has stolen bits from both that preceded it (not very well, in some cases—I don;t mean using pre-existing theology, but taking bits nearly verbatim and putting them in another mouth.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

er.... say what ? 'Mormonism' anyone?
Long story short, Christianity and Islam have so much in common its not even funny.
Of the six major religions, those two are closest match by miles.
Ask any muslim worth his salt what he thinks about Jesus, go on I dare ya!
(You might just be very suprised by his answer.)

I would have added Jim Jones, David Koresh and this guy:

http://www.yahwehbenyahweh.com/

as examples of charismatics who pervert faith. So in that regard Islam is hardly an exception, but such individuals should not be considered as more representative of the faith than their Christian counterparts.

Regarding the three Abrahamic religions, it is Christianity on the outside, not Judaism. Islam and Judaism are both regulatory (rules about diet, worship, times, etc), whereas Christianity is largely philisophical (focus on direct spirituality). Judaism and Islam also regard salvation as a matter of adherence to doctrine, as opposed to the Christian view of salvation through faith.

Although Christianity's holy book does indeed include the Hebrew scriptures, they are largely superceeded by the revisions in the New Testament by Messianic decree (This is the New Covenant....). The Old Testament is regarded, for the most part, as a primer in the historical roots of the faith.

Jesus of Nazareth is regarded by Islam as a prophet of Allah on par with Abraham and Moses. He is not considered deity, but is in high esteem. Obviously there would be no mention of Muhammad in the Christian Bible, given that his revelation did not occur until the year 610. The books of what would become the New Testament were generally completed by the beginning of the second century and had been canonized by the time of the First Council of Nicea in 325. It's not a snub, it is historical.

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[AVGWarhawk]

It Has gone viral!!!

Al Sharpton is upset. Al is also a minister playing to the media. But Al isn't getting enough attention.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Regarding the three Abrahamic religions, it is Christianity on the outside, not Judaism. Islam and Judaism are both regulatory (rules about diet, worship, times, etc), whereas Christianity is largely philisophical (focus on direct spirituality). Judaism and Islam also regard salvation as a matter of adherence to doctrine, as opposed to the Christian view of salvation through faith.

In my more cynical moments, this is why I believe Christianity has such a large following. It is one of the more "easy" religions to subscribe to.

Although Christianity's holy book does indeed include the Hebrew scriptures, they are largely superceeded by the revisions in the New Testament by Messianic decree (This is the New Covenant....). The Old Testament is regarded, for the most part, as a primer in the historical roots of the faith.

I have often wondered about what I perceive as a series of "cherry picking" of stuff people like about the old testament (10 commandments) but conveniently forget what they don't like (Deuteronomy and Leviticus).

This has confused me. Either the old testament is or is not "part" of Christianity. John 10:35; Mathew 5:18; 15:3, and 15:6 seem to indicate that it is a part of Christianity. But many Christians I have spoken to disagree. Most confusing.

[antikristuseke]

Concistency is not a strong point of religions.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Concistency is not a strong point of religions.

You just reminded me of the beginning part of this comedy skit:

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

You just reminded me of the beginning part of this comedy skit:

[Gerald]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

[Takeda Shingen]

Platapus, I agree with much of what you have said. In fact, Christians are frequently selecting what appeals to them and making their own god. Regarding the command that Scripture cannot be broken, it is later contridicted in John 14:6 (I am the way...) and in Matthew 26:28 (New Covenant), which would seem to indicate that one should 'forget what you learned in Hebrew School; we're doing things my way now'. All of this really does reinforce what antikristuseke said about the lack of consistency.

My personal view has always been that the problems viewed by the modern reader stem from two realities:

First, that the teachings of the New Covenant were a slow revelation and conversion to an uneducated group of devout followers. The disciples and followers of Jesus were the cast-offs of society; simple fishermen, leppers, prositutes, gamblers, etc. He would use a slow system of replacement to ease the transition. This would result in contradictions when reading a synopsis of teachings, which is really what the Gospels are.

Second, the Gospels themselves were pieced together by second-hand accounts, and was written by four individuals with very different viewpoints and directions for the fledgling Church. The Gospel of John is extreemly theological; hammering home the point that Jesus is the incarnation of God. The Gospel of Matthew is much more focused on the reconsiliation with Judaism proper. The Gospel of Luke regards Christianity as something along the lines of social revolution. Accordingly, you'll have very different accounts of events.

For me, it is the fact that each writer is consistent in the major tenets of Christianity that sells me. However, the devil is always in the details, so I can understand someone who sees the differences and reaches the opposite conclusion.