Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings

[JU_88]

LOL Vendor, Looks like that particular copy of the Quarn needs a smaller font size

[antikristuseke]

Wouldnt want to get thumped with that

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by JU_88

LOL Vendor, Looks like that particular copy of the Quarn needs a smaller font size

True

[Penguin]

already protests/riots at ISAF camps in Afghanistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/wo...ml?_r=1&src=mv

[Gerald]

it was only a matter of time before the rest of the gang starts

[tater]

In 2007 muslims in Gaza burned bibles and destroyed crosses when they ransacked a church school.

Where was the catholic outrage? Catholic riots? Murders?

What was the response of CAIR, or other activist muslim groups? Did they call for muslims to not be disrespectful of other faiths?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Wouldnt want to get thumped with that

But this is not a position paper on the book to be fired or not,but more a feature of mighty books

[MH]

Originally Posted by JU_88

LOL Vendor, Looks like that particular copy of the Quarn needs a smaller font size

Isnt it all about whos fonts are bigger?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by tater

In 2007 muslims in Gaza burned bibles and destroyed crosses when they ransacked a church school.

Where was the catholic outrage? Catholic riots? Murders?

What was the response of CAIR, or other activist muslim groups? Did they call for muslims to not be disrespectful of other faiths?

In 2007, Hessischer Rundfunk, a regional sub-section of Germany's state-run first television program ARD, broadcasted a film on in which a bible was burned, meant to make an artists's pointy comment on how wicked and evil the bible is. There was some lame formal protest by the church, it is written. People refused to show much interest for it, it is written. In fact I have read about the event just today. So there hardly could have been a national controversy having going on in 2007 - i would have noticed it.

I also remember that there were several incidents over the past 10-15 in which Jesus-statues got burned or mutilated. And displaying such acts on TV and in cinema, is common practice nowadays anyway.

About this Quran burning, the Westerners themselves were close to go crazy, too, stupid enough some comments in the media surely have been, really. But the uproar when Christian villagers and civilians get slaughtered by the thousands in Nigeria or by the hundreds of thousands in Darfhur by Islamic freedom-missionaries, is remarkably quite. And the reaction of the Vatican when another oh its priests or nuns got stabbed, is anything but impressive in choice of words, and determination. They do not want to raise harsh sentiments by Islam, you know.

A drunk babbling nonsense is not a already a philosophers just because you cannot understand him, and maybe a moderate temper and a selective perception are not really one and the same as well.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by MH

Isnt it all about whos fonts are bigger?

Of course not.

[mookiemookie]

Ahmadinejad's got his finger on the pulse of America:

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11254419

Since it was claimed that burning the Quran would be illegal, violating laws, or even an act of terrorism.

(...)
In fact, there was little the federal government could do but but watch - the US constitution rendered it almost powerless to stop the bonfire.

The United States stands apart from many other Western democracies in priding itself on a near absolute commitment to allowing freedom of speech.
It is enshrined in the First Amendment to the US constitution, alongside the right to free exercise of religion.
(...)
"The fundamental principle is that the government cannot restrict speech based on its content, even if an audience finds it offensive," says Prof Tim Zick, a First Amendment specialist from the William and Mary Law School.

"A speaker's autonomy to express himself - even in this deeply offensive manner - is, if not sacrosanct, then very highly regarded."

As a nation, he says, America has made a very different calculation about the protection of the speaker versus the dignity of the audience than many countries in Europe. America prioritises the autonomy of the speaker.
Denying the Holocaust, for example, is illegal in 16 European countries.

Germany has banned the production and dissemination of pro-Nazi material.
But in the US, the courts have protected the rights of Nazis to express their views.

In one well-known case, the Supreme Court invoked the First Amendment to uphold the right of a neo-Nazi group to march through the predominantly Jewish town of Skokie, Illinois, and display swastikas.

I can'T say that I am a fan of this kind of understanding of "unlimited freedoms", as a recent debate two weeks has shown. But I am willing to follow the motto of "different countries, different habits" as long as in my country we are not obliged to follow the american example, and to refuse it. On the other hand, the anonymous authority of the political correctness brigade more and more limits free speech, sometimes by criminalising unwanted opinions by according laws, sometimes brandmarking them by public witch hunts and labelling the subject with terms like "racists" or "Nazi".

It seems to me that both the European and american system are not perfect and can claim to be be better than the other. In one case the one system may be better for human diginity and upholding moral values. In another case, it is the other system making more sense. I think it is good advise if neither America nor the EU claims to have the monopole on being right on the issue. In case of doubt or conflict, a sense of realism to me works best.

[Gerald]

who have matches?

[Gerald]

As Muslims around the world begin the Eid festival, marking the end of Ramadan, US citizens reflect on the standing of their religion in their country.

Worshippers at the All Dulles Area Muslim Society in Sterling, Virginia say they believe the recent tensions of the New York mosque and the threat to burn Korans will be overcome.

A US pastor who threatened to burn copies of the Koran on the anniversary of 9/11 causing international outrage, now says his plans are "on hold".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11256004



Note: 9 September 2010 Last updated at 23:42 GMT

[STEED]

I just wish this Pastor make his flipping mind up!