In the Berkeley Hotel Reception

flag4 · 09-09-10, 12:22 PM

Hi hunters.
i was in the Berkeley Hotel in Beaumaris, Anglesey( North Wales) a few weeks back. we had popped in for a drink and couldnt find the bar(!) so i went to the reception to ask for help. and there above was this painting. i have never seen a real painting of a u boat before and was most suprised. i had the thought "..this will be the first thing guests will see as they approach reception.."

could any one tell us what types we are looking at - u boat & plane

maybe some one recognises the artist too. my only thought other than amazment at this being where it was, is that the nose cone seems to be flying slightly away from the wings. but i still sat with my drink and looked on fondly - what a lovely surprise!!

ediko · 09-09-10, 12:42 PM

Alright the plane is PBY catalina and the uboat is a VII (Can't tell which model could be A;B;C but I'm not an expert so just wait a bit and you'll get a definite answer). Great painting by the way.

09-09-10, 01:20 PM

What a fine painting! Thank you for sharing it with us. Now I'm going to have to purchase some form of U-Boat artwork.

Gerald · 09-09-10, 01:28 PM

Type VIIB I could guess at,

Weiss Pinguin · 09-09-10, 01:42 PM

Is it strange that I saw the flak bursts before anything else and thought 'Yeah right'

But great painting, does the Berkeley Hotel have any connections to WWII or did someone just pick it out cuz they liked it?

Draka · 09-09-10, 02:08 PM

From this page:

http://www.uboat.net/technical/flak.htm

I don't see any boat with that exact set of AA. Looks like artist's license - but the closest would be a VIIC from late war.

timmy41 · 09-09-10, 02:16 PM

actually, it could possibly be the double twin 13.2mm guns and the 20mm, and the forward gun is probably just someone with an mg34?

K-61 · 09-09-10, 02:17 PM

Also, what U-boat would have that amount of AA guns and still retain the deck gun? By a certain point of the war it became a useless appendage. I am in 1942 and have long since failed to find an opportunity to use it. All the merchantmen are armed so I can't even risk surfacing to finish off a cripple. I am about to remove it via SH3 Commander. Does removing it in the game provide any streamlining bonus for the boat? I would think that in real life the removal of the deck gun would give a slight increase in performance and the room formerly devoted to ammo storage could be used for other purposes, such as laying in extra stores or AA gun ammo.

Draka · 09-09-10, 02:35 PM

MG34's were normally pintle mounted - so if there is one on the starboard side I'd expect one on the port side as well - either manned or just depicted empty. As a lot of Kaleuns kinda mounted whatever they could scounge up I suppose that when they got the upgraded Wintergarten that they tried to retain the old pintle mounts with the extra MG34's .......

Sailor Steve · 09-09-10, 02:51 PM

The plane is a Consolidated PBY-5, called Catalina Mk 1 by RAF Coastal Command. It can be distinguished from the earlier PBY-4 by the large teardrop gun blisters on the sides (the -4 had open gunports) and from the later PBY-5A by the lack of retractible landing gear.

09-09-10, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by K-61

I am about to remove it via SH3 Commander. Does removing it in the game provide any streamlining bonus for the boat? I would think that in real life the removal of the deck gun would give a slight increase in performance and the room formerly devoted to ammo storage could be used for other purposes, such as laying in extra stores or AA gun ammo.

This is a good question. I don't know myself, but I somehow doubt it. Sounds like a good idea for a mod though with regard to the slight performance increase.

I'm in December of 1941 right now, and have only used the gun 2-3 times in the last 6 months. Only at 6k range though, and with a lot of evasive maneuvers. More trouble than it's worth.

So, flag4? Did you bring a laptop with SH3 with you or were you on shore leave? It's alright to admit it.

FIREWALL · 09-09-10, 03:00 PM

@ flag4

You need to play a little more GWX.

Great pics.

K-61 · 09-09-10, 03:25 PM

I certainly don't leave home without it. GWX Gold on a gaming notebook; goes everywhere I do.

Pebble Monkey · 09-09-10, 09:17 PM

RAF Valley is on Anglesey, and in 1941 saw the arrival of Catalinas under RAF coastal command, could be the link as to why it's there

flag4 · 09-12-10, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pebble Monkey

RAF Valley is on Anglesey, and in 1941 saw the arrival of Catalinas under RAF coastal command, could be the link as to why it's there

..very handy for nipping out and sinking those dasterdly subs !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weiss Pinguin

Is it strange that I saw the flak bursts before anything else and thought 'Yeah right'

But great painting, does the Berkeley Hotel have any connections to WWII or did someone just pick it out cuz they liked it?

@ Weiss Pinguin..as Pebble Monkey has said. its interesting, though, that in the foyer of the hotel is a cabinet dedicated to The Beatles (?) i would be hard pushed to connect the mop tops to bombing u boats - maybe they stayed there, i dont know?

i had the feeling it was a type 9. and thank you FIREWALL for the excellent advice

09-09-10, 12:22 PM	#1
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	In the Berkeley Hotel Reception Hi hunters. i was in the Berkeley Hotel in Beaumaris, Anglesey( North Wales) a few weeks back. we had popped in for a drink and couldnt find the bar(!) so i went to the reception to ask for help. and there above was this painting. i have never seen a real painting of a u boat before and was most suprised. i had the thought "..this will be the first thing guests will see as they approach reception.." could any one tell us what types we are looking at - u boat & plane maybe some one recognises the artist too. my only thought other than amazment at this being where it was, is that the nose cone seems to be flying slightly away from the wings. but i still sat with my drink and looked on fondly - what a lovely surprise!! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

09-09-10, 01:28 PM	#4
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Beautiful pictures, Type VIIB I could guess at, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

09-09-10, 01:42 PM	#5
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	Is it strange that I saw the flak bursts before anything else and thought 'Yeah right' But great painting, does the Berkeley Hotel have any connections to WWII or did someone just pick it out cuz they liked it? __________________

09-09-10, 02:17 PM	#8
K-61 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 795 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Also, what U-boat would have that amount of AA guns and still retain the deck gun? By a certain point of the war it became a useless appendage. I am in 1942 and have long since failed to find an opportunity to use it. All the merchantmen are armed so I can't even risk surfacing to finish off a cripple. I am about to remove it via SH3 Commander. Does removing it in the game provide any streamlining bonus for the boat? I would think that in real life the removal of the deck gun would give a slight increase in performance and the room formerly devoted to ammo storage could be used for other purposes, such as laying in extra stores or AA gun ammo. __________________

09-09-10, 02:51 PM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The plane is a Consolidated PBY-5, called Catalina Mk 1 by RAF Coastal Command. It can be distinguished from the earlier PBY-4 by the large teardrop gun blisters on the sides (the -4 had open gunports) and from the later PBY-5A by the lack of retractible landing gear. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-09-10, 12:42 PM	#2
ediko Electrician's Mate Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Latvia Posts: 137 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Alright the plane is PBY catalina and the uboat is a VII (Can't tell which model could be A;B;C but I'm not an expert so just wait a bit and you'll get a definite answer). Great painting by the way.

09-09-10, 01:20 PM	#3
Hans Uberman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	What a fine painting! Thank you for sharing it with us. Now I'm going to have to purchase some form of U-Boat artwork.

09-09-10, 02:08 PM	#6
Draka Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 256 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	From this page: http://www.uboat.net/technical/flak.htm I don't see any boat with that exact set of AA. Looks like artist's license - but the closest would be a VIIC from late war.

09-09-10, 02:16 PM	#7
timmy41 Weps Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 367 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	actually, it could possibly be the double twin 13.2mm guns and the 20mm, and the forward gun is probably just someone with an mg34?

09-09-10, 02:35 PM	#9
Draka Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 256 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	MG34's were normally pintle mounted - so if there is one on the starboard side I'd expect one on the port side as well - either manned or just depicted empty. As a lot of Kaleuns kinda mounted whatever they could scounge up I suppose that when they got the upgraded Wintergarten that they tried to retain the old pintle mounts with the extra MG34's .......

09-09-10, 03:00 PM	#12
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	@ flag4 You need to play a little more GWX. Great pics. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

09-09-10, 03:25 PM	#13
K-61 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 795 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I certainly don't leave home without it. GWX Gold on a gaming notebook; goes everywhere I do. __________________

09-09-10, 09:17 PM	#14
Pebble Monkey Watch Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 25 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	RAF Valley is on Anglesey, and in 1941 saw the arrival of Catalinas under RAF coastal command, could be the link as to why it's there