Guilty Secret

Armistead · 09-08-10, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Diopos

If by "8010" you mean the method as presented here, it is:
a. not"complex"
b. not about "shooting"
c. not a "method" (again as presented)
d. and yes if you use it, you probably must be "insane" regardless of being a skipper, WW1 or otherwise.

Armistead have you tried the 8010 method? Do you believe that succeding in keeping a target at a constant 80° or 280° bearing it means that target AoB is "automatically" 10°?

Did you miss the part when I said "used by insane WW1 skippers"....

Diopos · 09-08-10, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

Did you miss the part when I said "used by insane WW1 skippers"....

Ok ... Over-reacted maybe.

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tomoose · 09-08-10, 12:49 PM

.....pulls a pin, yells "8010" and promptly jumps out the nearest window to await the explosion!!

timmyg00 · 09-08-10, 01:51 PM

I have always wanted to play with manual targeting, but the thing that kills it for me is that when you turn off Map Contact Updates, you lose the range reading of aircraft contacts on the SD. I don’t want to have to pull the plug for every SD contact… some of them never get on an intercept course, or even a course that takes them to within detection range of ownship. Why dive for them?

Also, truth be told, I am TERRIBLE at figuring AOB. The only thing that would save it for me is Hitman’s manual targeting guide, which seems to present a pretty good method for getting AOB, assuming you can make a decent ID of the target. However, all bets are off at long range… it’s much harder to ID targets out at extreme visual range, so then it’s hard to figure a decent intercept course.

So, after all that, I end up leaving map updates on and using the O’Kane method.

If I could just get the SD bug out of the way, I’d turn those pesky updates off… I don’t even want to see where the plane is, I just want to know his range, maybe with a shaded circle around the ownship icon on the map, size of the circle representing the range to the aircraft. If he’s approaching fast, I pull the plug… if he’s just cruising by at long range, I stay on the roof at speed.

Dirty little secrets indeed…

TG

Diopos · 09-08-10, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmyg00

I have always wanted to play with manual targeting, but the thing that kills it for me is that when you turn off Map Contact Updates, you lose the range reading of aircraft contacts on the SD.…
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Try manual with map contacts on. Nobody will accuse you of cheating or anything, eh!

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John Channing · 09-08-10, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmyg00

I have always wanted to play with manual targeting, but the thing that kills it for me is that when you turn off Map Contact Updates, you lose the range reading of aircraft contacts on the SD. I don’t want to have to pull the plug for every SD contact… some of them never get on an intercept course, or even a course that takes them to within detection range of ownship. Why dive for them?

Also, truth be told, I am TERRIBLE at figuring AOB. The only thing that would save it for me is Hitman’s manual targeting guide, which seems to present a pretty good method for getting AOB, assuming you can make a decent ID of the target. However, all bets are off at long range… it’s much harder to ID targets out at extreme visual range, so then it’s hard to figure a decent intercept course.

So, after all that, I end up leaving map updates on and using the O’Kane method.

If I could just get the SD bug out of the way, I’d turn those pesky updates off… I don’t even want to see where the plane is, I just want to know his range, maybe with a shaded circle around the ownship icon on the map, size of the circle representing the range to the aircraft. If he’s approaching fast, I pull the plug… if he’s just cruising by at long range, I stay on the roof at speed.

Dirty little secrets indeed…

TG

Hey Timmy! Long time!

There is good news on the horizon.

Nisgeis has developed a mod that gives you usable, accurate radar, a working TDC and is (I hope) close to a working SD Radar scope. Check out the mods forum for his thread on 3-D TDC. You can play with map contacts off and still bring home satisfying (if more realistic) tonnage.

I am on my second "Contacts Off" patrol and it is a whole new game.

JCC

timmyg00 · 09-08-10, 07:34 PM

Thanks John, i will check those out. Right now the only mods i have are the RSRDC... tried RFB but it crashed my laptop. Guess i should be thankful this thing can run SH4 at all!

The mods you listed sound promising!

TG

Thrair · 09-09-10, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by John Channing

I am on my second "Contacts Off" patrol and it is a whole new game.

Oh yeah. As I said, I thought the hardest thing to adjust to when I bumped up to realistic would be the manual aiming. But you're right, with contacts off it totally changes the game. For the better, I've come to believe. It forces you to be more patient. You can't just hit the TC and make course adjustments as you go to follow the contact via the map. You actually have to go in there and look at the hydrophones every so often, which is really immersive.

And @ Rockin Robbins, thanks. Seem to be a helpful dude. Were this the Steam Forum, I'd +rep you.

P.S. @ Bothersome, I'm gonna try what you said; and if it works, I may ask you to marry me.

Armistead · 09-09-10, 08:26 AM

Have you tried the new radar mod. It's a must for contacts off.

09-08-10, 12:49 PM	#3
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Tomoose..... .....pulls a pin, yells "8010" and promptly jumps out the nearest window to await the explosion!!

09-08-10, 01:51 PM	#4
timmyg00 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: The People's Republic of Massachusetts, USA Posts: 282 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	I have always wanted to play with manual targeting, but the thing that kills it for me is that when you turn off Map Contact Updates, you lose the range reading of aircraft contacts on the SD. I don’t want to have to pull the plug for every SD contact… some of them never get on an intercept course, or even a course that takes them to within detection range of ownship. Why dive for them? Also, truth be told, I am TERRIBLE at figuring AOB. The only thing that would save it for me is Hitman’s manual targeting guide, which seems to present a pretty good method for getting AOB, assuming you can make a decent ID of the target. However, all bets are off at long range… it’s much harder to ID targets out at extreme visual range, so then it’s hard to figure a decent intercept course. So, after all that, I end up leaving map updates on and using the O’Kane method. If I could just get the SD bug out of the way, I’d turn those pesky updates off… I don’t even want to see where the plane is, I just want to know his range, maybe with a shaded circle around the ownship icon on the map, size of the circle representing the range to the aircraft. If he’s approaching fast, I pull the plug… if he’s just cruising by at long range, I stay on the roof at speed. Dirty little secrets indeed… TG __________________ ET1/SS, SSN-760 USSVI Marblehead Base (MA) *Naval Historical Sites - Photo Galleries*

09-08-10, 07:34 PM	#7
timmyg00 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: The People's Republic of Massachusetts, USA Posts: 282 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	Thanks John, i will check those out. Right now the only mods i have are the RSRDC... tried RFB but it crashed my laptop. Guess i should be thankful this thing can run SH4 at all! The mods you listed sound promising! TG __________________ ET1/SS, SSN-760 USSVI Marblehead Base (MA) *Naval Historical Sites - Photo Galleries*

09-09-10, 08:26 AM	#9
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Have you tried the new radar mod. It's a must for contacts off.