Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings

tater · 09-07-10, 05:49 PM

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I'll bring the marshmellows.......

I'd imagine the burning ink would give them a bad taste

Maybe they could burn eco-korans made with soy ink?

Factor · 09-07-10, 05:58 PM

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I'd imagine the burning ink would give them a bad taste

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Yea, you are proberly right, I will just stay home. LOL Proberly a good idea too as I would not be a bit surprised if a group of radical muslims show up with bombs and machine guns.....

Takeda Shingen · 09-07-10, 06:04 PM

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Proberly a good idea too as I would not be a bit surprised if a group of radical muslims show up with bombs and machine guns.....

I'd be very surprised if that happened.

tater · 09-07-10, 06:25 PM

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I'd be very surprised if that happened.

Yeah, so unlikely as to be nearly absurd.

That said, people getting killed elsewhere (out of US) because of it? Not unlikely at all.

Takeda Shingen · 09-07-10, 06:27 PM

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That said, people getting killed elsewhere (out of US) because of it? Not unlikely at all.

I would agree that this would be extreemly likely. Not a good time to go hiking on the Pakistani border.

Factor · 09-07-10, 06:34 PM

I know it wont happen, but if it did, lets say, I will never doubt anything "couldn't" happen after 9-11.

Skybird · 09-08-10, 04:09 AM

Merely symbolic acts like public book burnings, or parades, are not my cup of tea. However, it frustrates me to see in just another public debate that once again Islam is allowed to be judged by a set of special standards, putting it above all others.

When "they" burn western flags or law books or symbols of Western culture in Muslim countries, close churches and discriminate christian minorities systematically, then nobody here raises just one eyebrow. If now a church community claims the same right for itself and wants to burn Islamic symbols and has said that by this it wants to illustrate to the Islamic world how it feels for us what in islamic countries is common habit, so that they get a taste of their own medicine - then it suddenly is a major affair, and everybody jumps up and is yelling, and the Gutmenschen climb out of their holes and warn of making a stand in the name of western tradition and not to provoke the bully and that we should not confront the violent and the hysteric and the intolerant in self-defence, but appease them and flee from them and leave them what they want: more, and more, and more.

On Patreus'S comment, I only say this. Thinking he can negotiate lasting results with a fanatical religious enemy, is careless, to put it mildy. I use to have a good opinion of Patreus, I think he is one of the most intelligent and smartest generals in the military, as far as names made it to the headlines over the past 10 or 15 years. But to warn of putting up a perception challenge to and not appeasing Islam due to his - armed, I suppose - troops in his army might be attacked, leaves me speechless. Of an army I expect to defend itself and to be capable of shooting back with effect.

The hysterics will still be there, no matter whether you burn Qurans or not. the self-righteous sentiment in the muslim wqorld will still be there. The supremacist claim will still be there. The non-negotiable will to dominate will still be there.

As I see it, I neither applaud the planned Quran burning, nor do I object to it. I see no big deal in it - just a demonstration of behavior that is based on reciprocity. Those chruch-people wantt to do what the Islamicn world is constantoly doing. So what's the issue? If islam clerics and masses can call for the assassination of Islam critics and cartoonists and burn Western symbols all the time - why shouldn't we be allowed to burn Islamic symbols, then? Same standards for everyone - no special standards for Islam. If that makes them pumping up their blood pressure until their heads pop open - very well. the more they kill themselves in streeets riots and "public anger", the better. The fewer hysterics like this there are, the better for all the rest of the world. And if they turn violent against others instead against themselves - then why not shooting back.

Reciprocity. We are constantly on the defence, all time long willing to fall back one step, and another step, and one more step, and then more steps. since 50 years we deliver respect and and deeds installing Islam in the West - we did it all in advance, but in general the Muslim world did not trade back on equal terms: it took our deeds and acts as if they were natural, and it answered by just raising even more demands. what we understod to be an invitation for coexistence and "dialogue", it took as an invitation to go on the offensive once again and go for it all. that is no tolerance and coexistence, that is no reciprocal repoly to our invitation. So why not answer in a reciprocal way to their ways of doing?

In the end, it comes down to this: burning Qurans in no way is even close to be as bad and evil as is assassinating critics of islam or demanding their execution, killing apostates, declaring the female half of mankind a subordinate slave race, punishing rape victims for being raped, having stoning as death penalty, and demanding the subjugation of all who are not already submitting to this primitive and barbaric totalitarianism. Who speaks nice and kind of Islam, not only ignores these crimes and barbaric acts being carried out, but even ridicules the victims and minimises the courage of every Muslim-born man and women daring to resist this, criticising this, and refusing to obey this barbarism any longer at the price of risking their lives, and loosing their family's social context. And leaving them alone while embracing the evil they stand up against, by the standards of our western ethics and our moral self-claims is a treacherous and cowardly act worth of utmost detestation.

tater · 09-07-10, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I would agree that this would be extreemly likely. Not a good time to go hiking on the Pakistani border.

Oddly enough, they usually kill each other. Or their neighbors, anyway.

All we hear from terror-associated groups like CAIR is to worry about "islamophobia" or mistreatment of muslims. They slaughter Americans wholesale on 9-11, and what happens? Pogroms? Nope, nothing. Imams get invited to the WH to lead prayers. Meanwhile, cartoons are published, and they riot and kill back home.

Bottom line is that the worst anti-muslim in the West is only likely to engage in rhetoric, not violence---or even threats of violence. The same cannot be said in reverse, where freedom of expression--in free countries--gets people murdered (Theo van Gogh, for example, or fatwas against Rushdie).

Blood_splat · 09-07-10, 07:56 PM

These church members better be careful because they might lose their heads over this. Look at the crazy guy who stabbed a Muslim cab driver over the building of the Mosque. And that was only one crazy guy, think of all the radical Muslims who might snap.

09-08-10, 04:09 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Merely symbolic acts like public book burnings, or parades, are not my cup of tea. However, it frustrates me to see in just another public debate that once again Islam is allowed to be judged by a set of special standards, putting it above all others. When "they" burn western flags or law books or symbols of Western culture in Muslim countries, close churches and discriminate christian minorities systematically, then nobody here raises just one eyebrow. If now a church community claims the same right for itself and wants to burn Islamic symbols and has said that by this it wants to illustrate to the Islamic world how it feels for us what in islamic countries is common habit, so that they get a taste of their own medicine - then it suddenly is a major affair, and everybody jumps up and is yelling, and the Gutmenschen climb out of their holes and warn of making a stand in the name of western tradition and not to provoke the bully and that we should not confront the violent and the hysteric and the intolerant in self-defence, but appease them and flee from them and leave them what they want: more, and more, and more. On Patreus'S comment, I only say this. Thinking he can negotiate lasting results with a fanatical religious enemy, is careless, to put it mildy. I use to have a good opinion of Patreus, I think he is one of the most intelligent and smartest generals in the military, as far as names made it to the headlines over the past 10 or 15 years. But to warn of putting up a perception challenge to and not appeasing Islam due to his - armed, I suppose - troops in his army might be attacked, leaves me speechless. Of an army I expect to defend itself and to be capable of shooting back with effect. The hysterics will still be there, no matter whether you burn Qurans or not. the self-righteous sentiment in the muslim wqorld will still be there. The supremacist claim will still be there. The non-negotiable will to dominate will still be there. As I see it, I neither applaud the planned Quran burning, nor do I object to it. I see no big deal in it - just a demonstration of behavior that is based on reciprocity. Those chruch-people wantt to do what the Islamicn world is constantoly doing. So what's the issue? If islam clerics and masses can call for the assassination of Islam critics and cartoonists and burn Western symbols all the time - why shouldn't we be allowed to burn Islamic symbols, then? Same standards for everyone - no special standards for Islam. If that makes them pumping up their blood pressure until their heads pop open - very well. the more they kill themselves in streeets riots and "public anger", the better. The fewer hysterics like this there are, the better for all the rest of the world. And if they turn violent against others instead against themselves - then why not shooting back. Reciprocity. We are constantly on the defence, all time long willing to fall back one step, and another step, and one more step, and then more steps. since 50 years we deliver respect and and deeds installing Islam in the West - we did it all in advance, but in general the Muslim world did not trade back on equal terms: it took our deeds and acts as if they were natural, and it answered by just raising even more demands. what we understod to be an invitation for coexistence and "dialogue", it took as an invitation to go on the offensive once again and go for it all. that is no tolerance and coexistence, that is no reciprocal repoly to our invitation. So why not answer in a reciprocal way to their ways of doing? In the end, it comes down to this: burning Qurans in no way is even close to be as bad and evil as is assassinating critics of islam or demanding their execution, killing apostates, declaring the female half of mankind a subordinate slave race, punishing rape victims for being raped, having stoning as death penalty, and demanding the subjugation of all who are not already submitting to this primitive and barbaric totalitarianism. Who speaks nice and kind of Islam, not only ignores these crimes and barbaric acts being carried out, but even ridicules the victims and minimises the courage of every Muslim-born man and women daring to resist this, criticising this, and refusing to obey this barbarism any longer at the price of risking their lives, and loosing their family's social context. And leaving them alone while embracing the evil they stand up against, by the standards of our western ethics and our moral self-claims is a treacherous and cowardly act worth of utmost detestation. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 09-08-10 at 05:48 AM.

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Factor Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 356 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 0	I know it wont happen, but if it did, lets say, I will never doubt anything "couldn't" happen after 9-11.

09-07-10, 07:56 PM	#9
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	These church members better be careful because they might lose their heads over this. Look at the crazy guy who stabbed a Muslim cab driver over the building of the Mosque. And that was only one crazy guy, think of all the radical Muslims who might snap.