I guess her teleprompter broke down?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Cut off the head and the body will die. You can't fault illegals for fulfilling a demand that we ourselves have created.

What demand are you referring to exactly?

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

What demand are you referring to exactly?

He's referring to how many of us (legal citizens) readily and gladly pay illegals to perform our menial tasks for us. I tend to agree with him, although I still think border control is the first step.

[Zachstar]

Speaking of cutting off heads. She finally backtracked on the Headless bodies idiocy.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Speaking of cutting off heads. She finally backtracked on the Headless bodies idiocy.

I'm sure we all noticed...

As an aside, do you ever tire of being a case-in-point: ready to dismiss any and all flaws of liberals and Democrats but unwavering in your minute-by-minute updates whenever a Republican goes wrong?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Aramike

He's referring to how many of us (legal citizens) readily and gladly pay illegals to perform our menial tasks for us. I tend to agree with him, although I still think border control is the first step.

You have to treat the underlying disease and not just the symptoms. If you scare people away from hiring them, they will have no jobs and no reason to come here. Border control will fall into place and be much easier (read: less expensive) after that. As it is, you're just playing whack a mole....you'll never catch them all, no matter how many troops you put on the border.

I've said it before, it's hard to have sympathy for anyone in this debate. The illegals who sit there and get all hurt and upset and act genuinely shocked when we decide to actually do something about them, you know, breaking the law. But then it's hard to also have sympathy for people screaming about border fences and the national guard, and then turning around and hiring a crew of illegals to paint their house.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Did Obama accidentally admit to being Muslim when all this time he claimed to be christian?



Hmmmmmmmm

Actually, he's a Reptilian.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Webster

why not?

thats how we got Obama to be president

And Bush. And Clinton. And Bush. And Reagan. And...

Hey, maybe 'They' are doing this to keep us fighting each other, so we won't notice what's really going on. First one side, then the other...

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And Bush. And Clinton. And Bush. And Reagan. And...

Hey, maybe 'They' are doing this to keep us fighting each other, so we won't notice what's really going on. First one side, then the other...

There's a lot of truth to that. And I hold equally responsible the political 'aficionados' that regard elections and cycles as little more than sporting events, each hoping that their 'team' wins the 'championship' and seeking to attain that end by resorting to arguments about the remote and arbitrary.

But more directly to your point, I find the duality of the political tiresome. As per voting, I have a choice between the representative of Party A that is in power and has screwed things up, or the representative of Party B that is not in power but screwed things up the last time. What kind of choice is that?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You have to treat the underlying disease and not just the symptoms. If you scare people away from hiring them, they will have no jobs and no reason to come here. Border control will fall into place and be much easier (read: less expensive) after that. As it is, you're just playing whack a mole....you'll never catch them all, no matter how many troops you put on the border.

I've said it before, it's hard to have sympathy for anyone in this debate. The illegals who sit there and get all hurt and upset and act genuinely shocked when we decide to actually do something about them, you know, breaking the law. But then it's hard to also have sympathy for people screaming about border fences and the national guard, and then turning around and hiring a crew of illegals to paint their house.

Bang! Well said. I know a lot of white people who decry illegals, but have a long history of hiring them to save a buck. It reminds me of slavery in the 19th century. Like John said, get serious about penalizing those who hire illegals, make them hurt. And set up a better system to allow documented migrant workers into the country. I'm all for Mexicans and South Americans coming over to work and provide for their families--but they should be legal in a system that tracks them and protects them from abuse, and most importantly, they should not be provided an easy and automatic path to citizenship. We are already at the tipping point where legal Hispanics and illegals, and short-sighted liberals are effectively presurring the govt to allow more in the country. This will change the political nature of this country, and the change in society will result.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You have to treat the underlying disease and not just the symptoms. If you scare people away from hiring them, they will have no jobs and no reason to come here. Border control will fall into place and be much easier (read: less expensive) after that. As it is, you're just playing whack a mole....you'll never catch them all, no matter how many troops you put on the border.

I've said it before, it's hard to have sympathy for anyone in this debate. The illegals who sit there and get all hurt and upset and act genuinely shocked when we decide to actually do something about them, you know, breaking the law. But then it's hard to also have sympathy for people screaming about border fences and the national guard, and then turning around and hiring a crew of illegals to paint their house.

Well said. I do agree. However, part of the incentive for leaving Mexico is Mexico itself, and therefore the motivation will not be completely eliminated through tough employment crackdowns. Hence the need for a secure border as well.

Otherwise, again - well said.

[Aramike]

And set up a better system to allow documented migrant workers into the country.

Now that garners a "Damn Skippy". It's too freakin' hard to legally immigrate here, and it's too frickin' easy to illegally do so.

What's wrong with that picture?

[antikristuseke]

Someone failed at painting inside the lines!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And Bush. And Clinton. And Bush. And Reagan. And...

Hey, maybe 'They' are doing this to keep us fighting each other, so we won't notice what's really going on. First one side, then the other...

"This is exactly what the Founders want: Klingon against Cardassian! Federation against Klingon! The more we fight each other, the weaker we'll get and the less chance we have against the Dominion!"