Former SH5 Producer Alexandru Gris talks about Software-Quality

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by JScones

It's not silly to say he's a great guy who loves subsims. I've no doubt that's 100% true. It's drawing the blind conclusion that because he's a great guy socially, who enjoys a drink or whatnot, that therefore anything wrong with SH5 professionally can't possibly be his or the devs' fault.

See the difference?

That's what is silly. Not at all what one thinks of Dan as a guy to have a drink with.

Look at it this way - you might think I'm a jerk...does that mean JSGME or SH3Cmdr sucks? If you said "I've met JScones and I think he's a jerk" then fine. If you then added "so JSGME and SH3Cmdr must be rubbish", there's the silliness (or fallacy, to be more exact).

It you look at my posts, this is what I comment against, not what anyone thinks of Dan as a person.

^Thats fair enough mate^
I dont think your a jerk - I was really talking about perception rather than the actual facts of the matter.

[JScones]

Yeah, I understand. It's just that no-one has ever posted "SH5 sucks so Dan must be a jerk to know socially" (or if they have they've been buried well before I've noticed them). That would draw the exact same response from me, FWIW.

I work on logic. Fallacies and non sequiturs irritate me no end.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by JU_88

you seem pop up to brand them as a fanboy etc.

On occasion, it has been observed.

[Placoderm]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah? Who?

To me, in a dream world...it would be Oleg Mattox/1C.

They seem to do very good off-mainstream titles that capture both the feel and the intricacies of operating whatever they model. So far they have done very well at obscure aircraft (most would say that a "Sturmnovik" simulation would be too 'niche' to sell to a wide audience), WWII tanks, and 3D strategy. Their experience with each of the above would bode well for a quality submarine simulation (although admittedly they would likely concentrate on something again obscure...like russian subs in the baltic sea)...but who knows?

[makman94]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

......

Its our responsibility what we put on the market with our name on it.

sure it is your responsibility Dan BUT you are not doing anything about it...

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by makman94

sure it is your responsibility Dan BUT you are not doing anything about it...

Nope because he and his team have been assigned to other projects by managment (not nessicarily 'suits' it could be someone in jeans and Tshirt you know ;-) )
Considering how many boycotted the game over U-play, it is not surprising.
Not that im placing the blame with the consumer. Ubi should have done a bit more research before chaining its consumers to a server.

I guess an AAA title like AC2 wasn't hit so hard with PS3 and Xbox 360 versions availiable.
But for pc only niche market SH5 - suicide.

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by makman94

sure it is your responsibility Dan BUT you are not doing anything about it...

You have no idea what I have done or not. But in the end, you are right in that results matter and from that point of view, we might as well have done nothing...

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

You have no idea what I have done or not. But in the end, you are right in that results matter and from that point of view, we might as well have done nothing...

I disagree with that. Thank you for what you have done.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

You have no idea what I have done or not. But in the end, you are right in that results matter and from that point of view, we might as well have done nothing...

There are those of us that sincerely appreciate your efforts.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

There are those of us that sincerely appreciate your efforts.

Here here, and I shall do the pleasure of and may the appreciation be carried on.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

You have no idea what I have done or not. But in the end, you are right in that results matter and from that point of view, we might as well have done nothing...

i am judging the result Dan ! i don't care about the background 'stories' or the intentions that may all of you had ....
yes, it 'carries' your names and becuase of that the treatment must have been way more than this....how can we call this ? (i don't even dare to give it a describe...)
and what do you do after the release (leave outside the fact that this must have never been released at this state but you SELL IT AS FINISHED).....nothing ! two patches ...that their purpose was ONLY TO FIGHT the pirates and NOT to correct things !

stadimeter WAS NOT FIXED TO NEITHER BOTH PATCHES ! although this community mentioned from the start this bug ...you simply don't care ...you don't pay attention to us at all !! and if i am wrong at this...then ,please ,tell us why stadi was not fixed to neither both patches.and,on the other hand, you leave so long time now the TDW 'fighting' with your faults to correct some things...WHY?? (...and stadi is just an example...)

TDW(and not only) is spending his free time Dan for your 'baby' ! why you(and your team) don't spend some of your free time to give some fixes ? the 'picture' that you (and your team) is showing outside(at least to my eyes) is that you don't care at all !!but you keep telling at your posts that you all cares enough and words...words...words . give us some facts Dan !

Dan,judging the result i know that is cruel sometimes but in this case there is no way to 'cover' the whole thing . graphics is only the 'clothes' for the body (and the last to been taken care). under these nice clothes...we have a body that is 'suffering' not only by the bugs but becuase it is nothing new ! (SUB SIMULATOR gameplay fuctionalities).

becuase i don't congratulate you, this doesn't mean that i am your 'enemy' or i don't respect you or your efforts.but how can i congratulate you for something unfinished and so ''fast made'' job?? i am saying this becuase some people here are 'running' to congratulate you just to make the others -like me- showing as the 'bad guys'.the truth is that i really like the sub SIMULATORS and i will be the first that will congratulate you when you give us something really good...and the last sh Dan was NOT good...not good at all !sorry ,but this is my truth ....waiting your next...'strike' !

[Lord Justice]

You advance briskly!! This will, if i mistake not, create some noise. Roll on to your glory... if to be had. Good day.

[Zedi]

Originally Posted by makman94

...
and what do you do after the release (leave outside the fact that this must have never been released at this state but you SELL IT AS FINISHED).....nothing ! two patches ...that their purpose was ONLY TO FIGHT the pirates and NOT to correct things !

stadimeter WAS NOT FIXED TO NEITHER BOTH PATCHES ! although this community mentioned from the start this bug ...you simply don't care ...you don't pay attention to us at all !! and if i am wrong at this...then ,please ,tell us why stadi was not fixed to neither both patches.and,on the other hand, you leave so long time now the TDW 'fighting' with your faults to correct some things...WHY?? (...and stadi is just an example...)

TDW(and not only) is spending his free time Dan for your 'baby' ! why you(and your team) don't spend some of your free time to give some fixes ? the 'picture' that you (and your team) is showing outside(at least to my eyes) is that you don't care at all !!

Agree 120% and is not only the stadimeter, but the rec manual and many other things. It's a shame that modders works really hard and spend a LOT of their lifetime to fix the game for free, without any official support or apreciation.

The only ones who performed at max quality in the dev team were the artists. But I have the feeling that they were the team who worked on AC2.. is a huge quality difference between the graphic and code part in SH5. That why the graphics is the only part moded for now, the script part is still fixed day by day.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

I personally find little to blame in the publisher/ubi suits.

Originally Posted by makman94

i am judging the result Dan ! i don't care about the background 'stories' or the intentions that may all of you had ....

We could argue for months to come on who to blame, but it's gonna be useless & endless.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one thing that really matters now: Ubisoft should listen and ''comply'' to modders requests.

But I guess it's gonna take another 6 months ...if ever.

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by makman94

i am judging the result Dan ! i don't care about the background 'stories' or the intentions that may all of you had ....
yes, it 'carries' your names and becuase of that the treatment must have been way more than this....how can we call this ? (i don't even dare to give it a describe...)
and what do you do after the release (leave outside the fact that this must have never been released at this state but you SELL IT AS FINISHED).....nothing ! two patches ...that their purpose was ONLY TO FIGHT the pirates and NOT to correct things !

stadimeter WAS NOT FIXED TO NEITHER BOTH PATCHES ! although this community mentioned from the start this bug ...you simply don't care ...you don't pay attention to us at all !! and if i am wrong at this...then ,please ,tell us why stadi was not fixed to neither both patches.and,on the other hand, you leave so long time now the TDW 'fighting' with your faults to correct some things...WHY?? (...and stadi is just an example...)

TDW(and not only) is spending his free time Dan for your 'baby' ! why you(and your team) don't spend some of your free time to give some fixes ? the 'picture' that you (and your team) is showing outside(at least to my eyes) is that you don't care at all !!but you keep telling at your posts that you all cares enough and words...words...words . give us some facts Dan !

Dan,judging the result i know that is cruel sometimes but in this case there is no way to 'cover' the whole thing . graphics is only the 'clothes' for the body (and the last to been taken care). under these nice clothes...we have a body that is 'suffering' not only by the bugs but becuase it is nothing new ! (SUB SIMULATOR gameplay fuctionalities).

becuase i don't congratulate you, this doesn't mean that i am your 'enemy' or i don't respect you or your efforts.but how can i congratulate you for something unfinished and so ''fast made'' job?? i am saying this becuase some people here are 'running' to congratulate you just to make the others -like me- showing as the 'bad guys'.the truth is that i really like the sub SIMULATORS and i will be the first that will congratulate you when you give us something really good...and the last sh Dan was NOT good...not good at all !sorry ,but this is my truth ....waiting your next...'strike' !

You cant just ignore what happens behind the scenes when you judge a person.

I think you should consider that getting the fixes in place that you mention (which are very valid) is outside the influence of Dan. Can it be the case that Dan have already pointed out these errors? Do you honestly think that its Dans choice to use DRM? The devs have used a lot of their spare time in the mods forums to help out - what does that tell you? Could it be that they care about the game? Could it be that its not their choice when to release a game and make the decision when its ready for release? The list goes on...

I think it takes a lot of guts to come here and be a part of these discussions and to admit to their part in the state of the game.