Neutrals and Neutrality

papa_smurf · 08-29-10, 08:51 AM

If you do sink a neutral, you will take a renown hit which could end your career.

mglowe · 08-29-10, 09:01 AM

Oops! I forgot about the punishment for such behavior.

MILLANDSON · 08-29-10, 09:02 AM

Unless you adjust the renown rates for Neutrals so they either give no renown, or a little renown, of course.

That's what I do, since once the war started to get into full swing, in many cases neutral ships that were supplying the enemy are considered valid targets.

CherryHarbey · 08-29-10, 12:39 PM

I have to keep telling myself that my captain wouldn't know what I do. That the US joined the war later.
If I start declaring war on the largest military force on the planet for the sake of a ship load of stockings or bananas, I don't think my superiors would thank me for it.
But that's just me.
Edit your renown files and sink em if you like, they deserve it.

MILLANDSON · 08-29-10, 02:55 PM

Don't worry, I still don't blow up US ships until they join the war, but others? They're proving they are enemies of the Reich by supplying our enemies!

K-61 · 08-29-10, 03:53 PM

I edit my files to remove the renown penalty, but the only neutrals I target are inside British convoys. Even then, I target the fattest targets if possible. If a small neutral is in the convoy I ignore it for the larger vessels, but if the biggest target is a neutral, he's not getting away with it. Besides, are we really expected to ascertain the flags on vessels in convoys? What if our ladder pattern torpedoes sink a neutral in a convoy. The whole idea of neutral vessels in a convoy expecting to be untouched is plain silly.

Machen alles kaput!

Zedwardson · 08-29-10, 06:37 PM

I moved the renown to neutral, so if I sink a ship that a neutral in a convoy, or didn't have their lights on, well, war is hell, a "innocent" ship is sunk, and I have wasted a torpedo.

(just realized that that was on my old install, thought my renown was funky. Anyone remember the file you edit to change the renown rewards?

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frau kaleun · 08-29-10, 07:44 PM

I believe it's in the basic.cfg, near the top.

Look for

[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200
CompletedPatrol=0
NEUTRAL=-1
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-10
WrongShipSunk=-5000
FirstRankRenown=100
SecondRankRenown=350
EndCampaign=-5000

Change the value for NEUTRAL. I guess if you changed it to zero you'd neither gain nor lose renown if you sank a neutral vessel. Better wait for an older hand to confirm, though, I've not tinkered with this myself.

08-29-10, 08:51 AM	#1
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	If you do sink a neutral, you will take a renown hit which could end your career. __________________

08-29-10, 03:53 PM	#6
K-61 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 795 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I edit my files to remove the renown penalty, but the only neutrals I target are inside British convoys. Even then, I target the fattest targets if possible. If a small neutral is in the convoy I ignore it for the larger vessels, but if the biggest target is a neutral, he's not getting away with it. Besides, are we really expected to ascertain the flags on vessels in convoys? What if our ladder pattern torpedoes sink a neutral in a convoy. The whole idea of neutral vessels in a convoy expecting to be untouched is plain silly. Machen alles kaput! __________________

08-29-10, 06:37 PM	#7
Zedwardson Sparky Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 154 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I moved the renown to neutral, so if I sink a ship that a neutral in a convoy, or didn't have their lights on, well, war is hell, a "innocent" ship is sunk, and I have wasted a torpedo. (just realized that that was on my old install, thought my renown was funky. Anyone remember the file you edit to change the renown rewards? ) __________________ SH3 - GWX3 & Commander 3.2 Realism- 43%, D.I.D. (I play with unlimited fuel and with Auto-ID targets)

08-29-10, 09:01 AM	#2
mglowe Nub Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Ames, IA USA Posts: 2 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Oops! I forgot about the punishment for such behavior.

08-29-10, 09:02 AM	#3
MILLANDSON Helmsman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 107 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Unless you adjust the renown rates for Neutrals so they either give no renown, or a little renown, of course. That's what I do, since once the war started to get into full swing, in many cases neutral ships that were supplying the enemy are considered valid targets.

08-29-10, 12:39 PM	#4
CherryHarbey Engineer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I have to keep telling myself that my captain wouldn't know what I do. That the US joined the war later. If I start declaring war on the largest military force on the planet for the sake of a ship load of stockings or bananas, I don't think my superiors would thank me for it. But that's just me. Edit your renown files and sink em if you like, they deserve it.

08-29-10, 02:55 PM	#5
MILLANDSON Helmsman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 107 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Don't worry, I still don't blow up US ships until they join the war, but others? They're proving they are enemies of the Reich by supplying our enemies!

08-29-10, 07:44 PM	#8
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I believe it's in the basic.cfg, near the top. Look for [RENOWN] RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500 RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200 CompletedPatrol=0 NEUTRAL=-1 ALLIED=1 AXIS=-10 WrongShipSunk=-5000 FirstRankRenown=100 SecondRankRenown=350 EndCampaign=-5000 Change the value for NEUTRAL. I guess if you changed it to zero you'd neither gain nor lose renown if you sank a neutral vessel. Better wait for an older hand to confirm, though, I've not tinkered with this myself.